My P version has the hot shoe. And Ti build.
Are you sure about that? cuz Flavio thinks they are interchangeable.
;p
Topcon D, Super D was used by Navy, the story that was going round that because some bodies were marked Bessler, someone in Navy procurement thought it was made in the U.S. I attended a conference put on the Navy, the Navy officer who was the OC of the photo division attended. When discussed he was really pretty annoyed, told us that the Navy tested all the top pro level cameras and picked the Topcon due to build quality, built in light meter, lens quality and excellent motor drive. The Navy used Topcon and later added Canon F1 for photo recon by the back seater on the F14, when Topcon left the 35mm market the Navy bought more Canons. Someone told me that sometime in the early to mid 80s the Navy did buy Nikon F2s, then bought EOS 1s.
Back in the day when the Super D was launched, I was a young teen. The price of the Super D with 58mm f/1.4 was $425 in a day when median family annual income in US was only $6600...it was made of unobtainium! How I lusted for that camera, but I had to settle for my dad purchasing a $159 Auto 100 instead. Fast forward 50 years and I found a Super D in pristine physical condidition in a thrift store for only $25, and the only thing that did not function perfectly was the self-timer...all the shutter speeds were perfect! That same year I found three more Super D bodies at good prices (more than 25!) and the only thing wrong with any of them was the self-timer on one body, yet the shutter speeds were perfect in all three.
The thing about the F3 is the design is timeless. Look at a not beat up body today and it looks as if it is a current production camera.
The only major things that could be improved are the exposure readouts (especially in manual), an LCD illuminator switch and a faster flash sync. Right now that syn speed is very Leica-esque.
But man, in hand, that body feels perfect.
Interestingly, one OTHER camera I had at the weekend's shoot was an ETRSi, which I'm learning to really enjoy. Fantastic image quality from really affordable lenses.
But even for the weight, it's NOT the same. Not as easy to use, not as quick, shooting half as many frames per roll is rough, and if you want to use it like a 35mm you need the grip, the Metering prism (which adds even more size), you need to carry multiple film backs, and that double pump winder with the mirror staying down until you ratchet it up to the next shot means it's just TERRIBLE for action shots. If course, there's a power winder but that and its stack of batteries add a bunch of weight.
The F4 is not for the same kind of shooting. Weight is decidedly not the only thing that matters in choosing what to carry. The F5 is beastly large for 135 (1500g loaded, without lens) but had its purpose and was used to death by so many press and sports photographers for years because it was fast and versatile. F3s with an Md-4 are in the 1400g ballpark. they're 800-900g stock, the MD4 is 400g before batteries. That's just what 80s/90s pro cameras weighed.
Trust me, I couldn't have gotten this kids to hold still for more than 15 frames over the weekend. Goddamned guitarists and drummers are worse to photograph than unleashed puppies. The F3 and F4 got lots of shots the ETR missed. I never thought once about the weight of what was in my hands, all three were configured perfectly for their respective roles.
Your point is that you need something fast and versatile for action shoots like kids, guitarists etc.
Well, i understand your point but if that's what you want to shoot, then the F4 isn't a good choice either. You could carry a Canon EOS 5, you will need no motor-drive, even the flash is built-in, and the AF is faster than the one in the F4. The EOS 5 weights 675g... not over 1kg. It even tracks the position of your eye. A later Nikon plastic-fantastic camera like the F100 would be a better proposition too.
Your main point is that you need quick response for action shooting. I would contend that nowadays this kind of action shooting is in the professional world already better, much better, covered by the plethora of digital cameras.
Personally the kind of photography I do doesn't need motor drives nor AF, thus I choose my cameras based on weight and the image quality that the format gives, using this criteria the ETRSi is a far better proposition than carrying a F4.
As for your claims that "you would need the grip, metering prism, multiple film backs", I don't get it. You don't need the grip to advance the film in the camera. Using the waist level finder is easier without the grip. And how would one need "multiple film backs" to "use it like a 35mm", when almost every 35mm camera out there does not support multiple film backs? Or you mean, "to reload film faster than a 35mm camera?" Because with multiple backs you can reload film faster than waiting for the camera to rewind your roll, putting the new one, etc.
Finally, i find your claim of ""goddamned guitarists and drummers are worse to photograph than unleashed puppies" strange. In the early 2000s i used to do concert photography with a medium format camera (TLR), and a 135 manual focus camera, a Canon A-1 It wasn't that hard. I guess everyone has different ways to approach such photography. There are techniques to cope, like pre-focusing, etc. And by the way, I play drums... we drummers don't abandon our drum stool, nor run around the stage like goddamed singers. I fail to understand how they would be harder to photograph than little children, which, YES, are a hard subject.
Just take photos of the bassists. We only move to argue with the drummer.
But after you take one photo of the bassist, you can go home because your work is done.
Where is the fun in that?
Just take photos of the bassists. We only move to argue with the drummer.
Your point is that you need something fast and versatile for action shoots like kids, guitarists etc.
Well, i understand your point but if that's what you want to shoot, then the F4 isn't a good choice either. You could carry a Canon EOS 5, you will need no motor-drive, even the flash is built-in, and the AF is faster than the one in the F4. The EOS 5 weights 675g... not over 1kg. It even tracks the position of your eye. A later Nikon plastic-fantastic camera like the F100 would be a better proposition too.
Your main point is that you need quick response for action shooting. I would contend that nowadays this kind of action shooting is in the professional world already better, much better, covered by the plethora of digital cameras.
Personally the kind of photography I do doesn't need motor drives nor AF, thus I choose my cameras based on weight and the image quality that the format gives, using this criteria the ETRSi is a far better proposition than carrying a F4.
As for your claims that "you would need the grip, metering prism, multiple film backs", I don't get it. You don't need the grip to advance the film in the camera. Using the waist level finder is easier without the grip. And how would one need "multiple film backs" to "use it like a 35mm", when almost every 35mm camera out there does not support multiple film backs? Or you mean, "to reload film faster than a 35mm camera?" Because with multiple backs you can reload film faster than waiting for the camera to rewind your roll, putting the new one, etc.
Finally, i find your claim of ""goddamned guitarists and drummers are worse to photograph than unleashed puppies" strange. In the early 2000s i used to do concert photography with a medium format camera (TLR), and a 135 manual focus camera, a Canon A-1 It wasn't that hard. I guess everyone has different ways to approach such photography. There are techniques to cope, like pre-focusing, etc. And by the way, I play drums... we drummers don't abandon our drum stool, nor run around the stage like goddamed singers. I fail to understand how they would be harder to photograph than little children, which, YES, are a hard subject.
Or to compliment the drummer on how great they're sounding.
Bassists are essential to the drummer and viceversa. The more tight they are as a unit, the better the music. I have a friend, bassist, we used to live together and clashed quite a bit at home, but when he picks his bass and i'm at the drums, it's like we can read each others' mind. Total telepathy and we can play for hours.
When the drums and bass are tight a headnod and slight grin will do it. Gotta stay cool and in the groove. Also, tell the keyboard guy to knock it off. No, keys aren't bass ok?
Your point is that you need something fast and versatile for action shoots like kids, guitarists etc.
Well, i understand your point but if that's what you want to shoot, then the F4 isn't a good choice either. You could carry a Canon EOS 5, you will need no motor-drive, even the flash is built-in, and the AF is faster than the one in the F4. The EOS 5 weights 675g... not over 1kg. It even tracks the position of your eye. A later Nikon plastic-fantastic camera like the F100 would be a better proposition too.
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Had the F100, much prefer the F4. And now you are introducing cameras that weren't even in the initial discussion. But then again neither was the Bronica when we are talking about 35mm cameras.
"You like the F4? Use a Bronica!"
Tell that to soulive... I think the keyboardist's feet are a dope bass player.
Tell that to soulive... I think the keyboardist's feet are a dope bass player.
That's not a keyboard my friend.
Bassists run the band.
Alright. It's an organ. An electromechanical tonewheel organ, if you want me to be more precise.
Depends.
But just so you know where I am coming from, I can listen for hours to:
1) Mick Fleetwood and John McVie working with any guitarist who isn't named Lyndsay; and
2) Ray Brown and Oscar Peterson - particularly Oscar Peterson's left hand:
If you like Oscar Peterson, you must love Art Tatum who is basically a musical god to me...
If you like Oscar Peterson, you must love Art Tatum who is basically a musical god to me...
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