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The title isn't strictly appropriate. There's no reason digital photography should imitate film, and rarely does it successfully. It often does so by the introduction of false elements like artificial grain. Also, there's no default film look to copy. That said, there are certain consistent difference between colour negative film and digital colour photography that can be overcome in post. The following are my observations, and it would be interesting to hear how other photographers tweak their Raw files to get something more pleasing.

The lens: modern lenses are very sharp and mostly highly corrected, sometimes in camera. The quickest way of getting a vintage appearance is to swap the lens for something less sharp. Even highly rated heritage lenses have less sharpness and contrast when used on digital cameras, than their modern equivalent. Remember, smaller than full frame (35mm) cameras will provide a telephoto effect relative to focal length, and an equivalent shallowing of depth of field.

Default corrections: editing software normally provides optimising parameters of sharpness, colour saturation, contrast and other factors. Once applied, these will resemble the appearance we have come to associate with digital photography. Turn all corrections off to avoid the digital "look". Even "faithful" or "neutral" pre-sets sometimes contain corrections, make sure all parameters are set to zero. This will look flat and lifeless initially, but only add the qualities you require, not the ones the camera or software offer you.

Colour: the biggest difference between film and digital photography is colour rendering. We are not looking for absolute authenticity, even if such a concept was possible - we are trying to achieve something naturalistic, which is a different thing. Naturalism is an ability to interpret nature after the fact in a pleasing and consistent way, without obvious artifice. In my experience the difference between the two media is their handling of green, with other colours of secondary importance. Isolate the green element in the image, and dial green saturation down. Way down. Something closer to straw than grass is good. Once the dominant effect of green-ness is overcome, other colours can be tweaked upwards where necessary. Film greens were often cyan, and much lighter. Putting more orange-red in autumn leaves works, and skies and skin tone can be tinted to taste.

Black: after colour, black is the next biggest factor in a film look. Digital colour photographs lack black, an appearance emphasised by the fashion to recover shadows and exhaust detail. We're not looking for detail in shadows, or anywhere to an excessive degree. A well exposed colour film image had good blacks.

Sharpening: this is a question of taste. Film era shots often had sharp centres and much less sharp edges. Chroma was more of a thing, as was barrel distortion. I veer away from over-sharpened photographs, and avoid printing at a size where the difference shows.

Printing: a print will always say photograph in a way an on-screen file never will. Most of the attributes of modern cameras, enlargement size, sharpness, dynamic range, were not available with film or harder to achieve in print.

I could go on but that's enough for now. Agree or disagree?
 

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Don't boost the shadows that are in the shade. That's a digital thing and in my opinion looks unnatural. I see this a lot with the people that color old photographs. They detail and color the whole photograph without thinking that the color would not be uniform, nor the exposure or contrast.
 

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It’s all about the quality and CONTENT... not how the image was created.
 
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Don't boost the shadows that are in the shade. That's a digital thing and in my opinion looks unnatural. I see this a lot with the people that color old photographs. They detail and color the whole photograph without thinking that the color would not be uniform, nor the exposure or contrast.
We may be talking at cross purposes. I'm not suggesting you should under expose, which I agree often has the opposite effect. I'm saying that black introduced to a normal or even over-exposed image, counters the way digital looks for detail everywhere. Film renders detail to a point and no further. Digital continues to search to the point of introducing artefacts. Colours can be light and pastel, alongside deep blacks, we're not looking for colour saturation.
 
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It’s all about the quality and CONTENT... not how the image was created.
Yes and no. A great shot will still be great on a digital point and shoot or a 10 x 8 Gandolfi. I'm suggesting the defaults cameras and software apply make an image less attractive to look at, and alternatives are better. This is based on personal experience as a photographer and painter, and the assumption that creative photography is not a forensic pursuit of visual data.
 
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I cannot agree with much of that.

I normally print to the maximum of what's possible with 13X19 paper. I'd print larger sometimes if I had a Canon printer that'd handle larger prints. Earlier in 2019 I had 40" prints made by Carr in my home town https://www.carrimage.net/pricing-services-and-printing/, one shot with Pentax digital macro. the other with 70mm digital prime...both Pentax APSC, both painfully sharp. The main reason I sometimes print smaller is cost.... I've just digitized hundreds of Kodachromes and want to print many of them, so may have to do 6X9 on letter sized paper (inkjet printing cost is mostly pigment).

There are many inkjet papers from a half dozen top makers that yield incredible blacks ...they easily rival blacks of chemical papers. As well, there is and array exceptionally beautiful inkjet papers from fine paper makers.

I rely on Photoshop, which doesn't apply defaults by itself , typically with NIK (which offers an array of alternative appearances but begins with zero defaults. I do little sharpening because I don't need much of it thanks to good lenses (with some portraits I soften, just as I might with film) ... SOME of my work is deliberately non-natural..remember that photography itself is non-natural.

NIK (and probably other versatile tools) does specify and offer a variety of film appearances just as does choice of color or B&W films, B&W developers and techniques for non-digital photography.

My recent digitizing (30mp with Pentax 50/2.5 macro) suggests that some of the work I did in the 70s/80s with Canon FD primes was a lot sharper and more detailed than Omega color enlargers with Nikkor lenses could produce back then.
 
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Years ago I bought a Fuji S3 with a couple of AF Nikon lens just for the Fuji film emulation feature. It has a CCD sensor, sharp enough for a 11X14 print. I found that the film emulation feature worked rather well, problem for me is that I don't care for Fuji Films as I do for Kodak. I think the newer mirrorless bodies have the same feature and from I understand work pretty well. Other than the S3 when I'm shooting digital I'm shooting digital and don't go out of my way to make digital images look like film.
 

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Manipulating the colors to obtain a "film look" really depends on the film you want to emulate. I find that green often has to be enhanced on landscape digital images to replicate the grass colors I get with Fuji Superia and Velvia. I usually just slide the color temperature slider a little towards blue. To emulate Kodachrome, I slide it to the right a little. I don't mess with vignetting or blurring the periphery since a generally use older lenses even when shooting digital.
 

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im kind of confused why do people want to make digital images look like film images ?
they are 2 different things each with their own thing going on.
 
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im kind of confused why do people want to make digital images look like film images ?
they are 2 different things each with their own thing going on.
That's a good question. It's why I wrote in the introduction that looking exactly like film wasn't really the point. On the other hand I consistently found OOC jpegs boring from all manufacturers and across digital formats, in a way film images were not. Others agree. My wife has no interest in the technique of photography but based on purely subjective preferences, will consistently choose film photographs. So what's going on? I don't believe there's any magic in a film photograph, and winding film through a nice mechanical camera is insufficient to compensate for the cost and effort of shooting, scanning and/or printing film photographs. It's something to do with what we can see, and what the appearance evokes. I don't use pre-sets, what I wrote is a starting point for the way I manipulate the sharp and colour saturated look of digital files into something more interesting. The trick is to stay the neutral side of mannerism, the kind of technical quirks people pass off as a trademark. I always try to let the subject speak for itself. I still shoot plenty of film, but think there's more we can do to make digital images aesthetically interesting while retaining the integrity of the photograph.
 
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There are many inkjet papers from a half dozen top makers that yield incredible blacks
I wasn't suggesting digital prints can't "do" black, I think digital cameras find colour nuance particularly in shadow areas, in a way that is distracting.
SOME of my work is deliberately non-natural..remember that photography itself is non-natural.
I agree with that. For me the aim is to create a photograph that looks sufficiently objective not to mimic other media, nor to employ post-processing in a way that draws attention to itself. Even within these exacting and self imposed criteria, sliders can be pushed miles from the camera jpeg and still hold up as naturalistic and unmediated. In the end photographic style is a question of discrimination and taste. I like images that are uncommercial in appearance, lack drama if the subject is undramatic and speak to the viewer quietly.
 
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The title isn't strictly appropriate. There's no reason digital photography should imitate film, and rarely does it successfully. It often does so by the introduction of false elements like artificial grain. Also, there's no default film look to copy. That said, there are certain consistent difference between colour negative film and digital colour photography that can be overcome in post. The following are my observations, and it would be interesting to hear how other photographers tweak their Raw files to get something more pleasing.

The lens: modern lenses are very sharp and mostly highly corrected, sometimes in camera. The quickest way of getting a vintage appearance is to swap the lens for something less sharp. Even highly rated heritage lenses have less sharpness and contrast when used on digital cameras, than their modern equivalent. Remember, smaller than full frame (35mm) cameras will provide a telephoto effect relative to focal length, and an equivalent shallowing of depth of field.

Default corrections: editing software normally provides optimising parameters of sharpness, colour saturation, contrast and other factors. Once applied, these will resemble the appearance we have come to associate with digital photography. Turn all corrections off to avoid the digital "look". Even "faithful" or "neutral" pre-sets sometimes contain corrections, make sure all parameters are set to zero. This will look flat and lifeless initially, but only add the qualities you require, not the ones the camera or software offer you.

Colour: the biggest difference between film and digital photography is colour rendering. We are not looking for absolute authenticity, even if such a concept was possible - we are trying to achieve something naturalistic, which is a different thing. Naturalism is an ability to interpret nature after the fact in a pleasing and consistent way, without obvious artifice. In my experience the difference between the two media is their handling of green, with other colours of secondary importance. Isolate the green element in the image, and dial green saturation down. Way down. Something closer to straw than grass is good. Once the dominant effect of green-ness is overcome, other colours can be tweaked upwards where necessary. Film greens were often cyan, and much lighter. Putting more orange-red in autumn leaves works, and skies and skin tone can be tinted to taste.

Black: after colour, black is the next biggest factor in a film look. Digital colour photographs lack black, an appearance emphasised by the fashion to recover shadows and exhaust detail. We're not looking for detail in shadows, or anywhere to an excessive degree. A well exposed colour film image had good blacks.

Sharpening: this is a question of taste. Film era shots often had sharp centres and much less sharp edges. Chroma was more of a thing, as was barrel distortion. I veer away from over-sharpened photographs, and avoid printing at a size where the difference shows.

Printing: a print will always say photograph in a way an on-screen file never will. Most of the attributes of modern cameras, enlargement size, sharpness, dynamic range, were not available with film or harder to achieve in print.

I could go on but that's enough for now. Agree or disagree?

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im kind of confused why do people want to make digital images look like film images ?
they are 2 different things each with their own thing going on.

If they want the photograph look like it is shot on film? The solution is not "then shoot it on film" - if you want to shoot on digital and make it look like film. Simple.

This digital/film discussion has plenty similarities to analog synthetizer vs digitally emulated analog synths. Technically you can emulate sound of analog synth on computer so well that no-one can recognize the difference. Ok, maybe few people who own the original synth and have played it inside out for 20 years. But let's concentrate on the bigger user groups. Why then buy analog hardware? Why buy old cameras. Why shoot film if you can emulate film look digitally? For the exact same reasons.

End result is only that matters - what the photograph does. If one can establish it with emulating film, then it must be done. And far as I understand, can be done.
 
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If they want the photograph look like it is shot on film? The solution is not "then shoot it on film" - if you want to shoot on digital and make it look like film. Simple.
Not so simple. Shooting film has its own pleasure and disadvantages. Some of the advantages are real, others are subjective, some only exist in the mind of the person. I'm interested in exploring things we can see, defining what those things are, and repeating them to the benefit of the photograph.
 

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I would simply say that the default film response to exposure is logarithmic, while digital sensor response is linear with a variable look-up-table (LUT) imposed on the exposure data for viewing.

You can impose a more "filmic" look on digital images by adjusting the LUT to more film-like exposure; that is up to the manufacturer or the user or both.
 

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You can impose a more "filmic" look on digital images by adjusting the LUT to more film-like exposure; that is up to the manufacturer or the user or both.

Can you do this with RAW files?
 

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Can you do this with RAW files?

Yes, of course. There are hundreds of websites devoted to doing this very thing. Here is one; I cannot vouch for it, but it appears to be free so you can experiment in Lightroom. https://www.freepresets.com/product/free-lightroom-preset-black-white-film/

If you don't have lightroom, look for an open source photo package like GIMP or such and then search for "Black and white film emulation in _insert your program_here".

It is not something that can simply tell you to click on a few buttons; you'll have to do some research and testing.
 

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Yes, of course. There are hundreds of websites devoted to doing this very thing. Here is one; I cannot vouch for it, but it appears to be free so you can experiment in Lightroom. https://www.freepresets.com/product/free-lightroom-preset-black-white-film/

This might be a tabu here but I'm pretty sure that one can fake a film photograph on digital without anyone noticing that. And why should they notice? Does it matter on what media the photo was taken? If one wants digital to look like film, go for it!
 

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im kind of confused why do people want to make digital images look like film images ?
they are 2 different things each with their own thing going on.

An interesting point. I shoot with digital Leicas and Leica lenses. When I do decide to go B&W with those images,
I was often studying the images and wishing they looked more like TRI-X. I experimented, I added grain, structure
contrast and clarity, and got to the point where they looked like film.

Then I just said, EFF IT, and bought an M3 and started shooting film again, alongside my digital work. The added workflow
is therapeutic.

J
 

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Film emulation LUTs are typically more prevalent in post production for Digital Cinema.

However, if your DSLR or digital camera can use image modification presets, you can take advantage of this by using Technicolor Cinestyle presets in your Canon DSLR. https://www.technicolor.com/cinestyle

You can also do this with Nikon cameras: https://www.slrlounge.com/shoot-film-styles-on-nikon-how-to/

The presets work in still or moving image mode on most cameras; YMMV - research it...

There is a TON of information and free (as well as paid) profiles to download and experiment with online.

Just start poking around...
 

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im kind of confused why do people want to make digital images look like film images ?
they are 2 different things each with their own thing going on.

Good question. Easiest answer is "to each his/her own."

I sometimes want extra "structure" and other characteristics that work especially well with stone subjects...that isn't same as wanting a film look. If 2475 recording film was still available, I might use that instead, or might not. There's no film equivalent. Similarly, if I want/need more punch to colors I can get that readily with PS or NIK.

NIK Silver Efex also offers selection of color filters for B&W. No need to add inferior glass from Tiffen or whoever to the front of a nice lens.

I notice that few who post here talk about their experience with inkjet printing, which is central to my photography. In my experience, people who don't "like" inkjet prints do not have skills or proper printers for the purpose.
 

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Most of what you see when you use digital is as much a function of the firmware and software as it is of the medium.
Anything that involves software and firmware incorporates preferences and judgments of those that created that software and firmware.
It isn't surprising that people like to modify those preferences and judgments to their tastes. If what they like is closer to how films (and a film based workflow) render an image, where is there a problem with those modifications?
Surely "because I like how it looks" is a good answer to the question about why people use those adjustments.
By the way, I prefer "emulating" to "imitating".
 
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