We may be talking at cross purposes. I'm not suggesting you should under expose, which I agree often has the opposite effect. I'm saying that black introduced to a normal or even over-exposed image, counters the way digital looks for detail everywhere. Film renders detail to a point and no further. Digital continues to search to the point of introducing artefacts. Colours can be light and pastel, alongside deep blacks, we're not looking for colour saturation.Don't boost the shadows that are in the shade. That's a digital thing and in my opinion looks unnatural. I see this a lot with the people that color old photographs. They detail and color the whole photograph without thinking that the color would not be uniform, nor the exposure or contrast.
Yes and no. A great shot will still be great on a digital point and shoot or a 10 x 8 Gandolfi. I'm suggesting the defaults cameras and software apply make an image less attractive to look at, and alternatives are better. This is based on personal experience as a photographer and painter, and the assumption that creative photography is not a forensic pursuit of visual data.It’s all about the quality and CONTENT... not how the image was created.
That's a good question. It's why I wrote in the introduction that looking exactly like film wasn't really the point. On the other hand I consistently found OOC jpegs boring from all manufacturers and across digital formats, in a way film images were not. Others agree. My wife has no interest in the technique of photography but based on purely subjective preferences, will consistently choose film photographs. So what's going on? I don't believe there's any magic in a film photograph, and winding film through a nice mechanical camera is insufficient to compensate for the cost and effort of shooting, scanning and/or printing film photographs. It's something to do with what we can see, and what the appearance evokes. I don't use pre-sets, what I wrote is a starting point for the way I manipulate the sharp and colour saturated look of digital files into something more interesting. The trick is to stay the neutral side of mannerism, the kind of technical quirks people pass off as a trademark. I always try to let the subject speak for itself. I still shoot plenty of film, but think there's more we can do to make digital images aesthetically interesting while retaining the integrity of the photograph.im kind of confused why do people want to make digital images look like film images ?
they are 2 different things each with their own thing going on.
I wasn't suggesting digital prints can't "do" black, I think digital cameras find colour nuance particularly in shadow areas, in a way that is distracting.There are many inkjet papers from a half dozen top makers that yield incredible blacks
I agree with that. For me the aim is to create a photograph that looks sufficiently objective not to mimic other media, nor to employ post-processing in a way that draws attention to itself. Even within these exacting and self imposed criteria, sliders can be pushed miles from the camera jpeg and still hold up as naturalistic and unmediated. In the end photographic style is a question of discrimination and taste. I like images that are uncommercial in appearance, lack drama if the subject is undramatic and speak to the viewer quietly.SOME of my work is deliberately non-natural..remember that photography itself is non-natural.
The title isn't strictly appropriate. There's no reason digital photography should imitate film, and rarely does it successfully. It often does so by the introduction of false elements like artificial grain. Also, there's no default film look to copy. That said, there are certain consistent difference between colour negative film and digital colour photography that can be overcome in post. The following are my observations, and it would be interesting to hear how other photographers tweak their Raw files to get something more pleasing.
The lens: modern lenses are very sharp and mostly highly corrected, sometimes in camera. The quickest way of getting a vintage appearance is to swap the lens for something less sharp. Even highly rated heritage lenses have less sharpness and contrast when used on digital cameras, than their modern equivalent. Remember, smaller than full frame (35mm) cameras will provide a telephoto effect relative to focal length, and an equivalent shallowing of depth of field.
Default corrections: editing software normally provides optimising parameters of sharpness, colour saturation, contrast and other factors. Once applied, these will resemble the appearance we have come to associate with digital photography. Turn all corrections off to avoid the digital "look". Even "faithful" or "neutral" pre-sets sometimes contain corrections, make sure all parameters are set to zero. This will look flat and lifeless initially, but only add the qualities you require, not the ones the camera or software offer you.
Colour: the biggest difference between film and digital photography is colour rendering. We are not looking for absolute authenticity, even if such a concept was possible - we are trying to achieve something naturalistic, which is a different thing. Naturalism is an ability to interpret nature after the fact in a pleasing and consistent way, without obvious artifice. In my experience the difference between the two media is their handling of green, with other colours of secondary importance. Isolate the green element in the image, and dial green saturation down. Way down. Something closer to straw than grass is good. Once the dominant effect of green-ness is overcome, other colours can be tweaked upwards where necessary. Film greens were often cyan, and much lighter. Putting more orange-red in autumn leaves works, and skies and skin tone can be tinted to taste.
Black: after colour, black is the next biggest factor in a film look. Digital colour photographs lack black, an appearance emphasised by the fashion to recover shadows and exhaust detail. We're not looking for detail in shadows, or anywhere to an excessive degree. A well exposed colour film image had good blacks.
Sharpening: this is a question of taste. Film era shots often had sharp centres and much less sharp edges. Chroma was more of a thing, as was barrel distortion. I veer away from over-sharpened photographs, and avoid printing at a size where the difference shows.
Printing: a print will always say photograph in a way an on-screen file never will. Most of the attributes of modern cameras, enlargement size, sharpness, dynamic range, were not available with film or harder to achieve in print.
I could go on but that's enough for now. Agree or disagree?
Kind of, they actually create the appearance of increased DoF compared to a similar aperture on a larger format. Even so a 50mm lens isolates an area equivalent to a 75mm or 100mm, depending on digital format.Smaller formats increase DOF.
im kind of confused why do people want to make digital images look like film images ?
they are 2 different things each with their own thing going on.
Not so simple. Shooting film has its own pleasure and disadvantages. Some of the advantages are real, others are subjective, some only exist in the mind of the person. I'm interested in exploring things we can see, defining what those things are, and repeating them to the benefit of the photograph.If they want the photograph look like it is shot on film? The solution is not "then shoot it on film" - if you want to shoot on digital and make it look like film. Simple.
You can impose a more "filmic" look on digital images by adjusting the LUT to more film-like exposure; that is up to the manufacturer or the user or both.
A Raw file is just data. The equivalent question might be can you make a picture from dead pig and silver?Can you do this with RAW files?
Can you do this with RAW files?
Yes, of course. There are hundreds of websites devoted to doing this very thing. Here is one; I cannot vouch for it, but it appears to be free so you can experiment in Lightroom. https://www.freepresets.com/product/free-lightroom-preset-black-white-film/
im kind of confused why do people want to make digital images look like film images ?
they are 2 different things each with their own thing going on.
im kind of confused why do people want to make digital images look like film images ?
they are 2 different things each with their own thing going on.
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