I'm getting tired............

Ron,

It's only the Internet! Ignore those who criticize or make unsubstantiated claims. Press on with your laudable work.

While hoping to continue using Ilford's products for the rest of my photographically productive life, I'll nonetheless be happily purchasing two copies of your book and DVD as soon as they are available. One set will be to keep and another to give a friend. Best of success with this project.

Photo Microscope

Photo Engineer said:

Thanks for all of the support. I'm still hard at work typing away on the kbd. I am lining up the graphs, charts and still photos that I'll need to insert into the book and seeing how to get rights to some of them. I cannot take photo micrographs for example, and so will have to use some from other sources.PE

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Hi Ron - My father has a photo-micrograph setup used for photographing sprayed metal coatings. It would probably work for photographing emulsions, but I'm not sure. You wouldn't need the slicing and polishing equipment, just the microscope. Maybe we could check this out when you visit here. I think I could persuade my father to lend it to you, he isn't currently using it.

Regards - Jim

I agree that the thread should stay on the OT which is an important topic. While I do not ever think that I would start making film, I support PE's work on his book and his contributions to APUG. I think that it is important to document making film not only for historical purposed but also because there are those people with more drive in that direction who should have every advantage of knowledge and experience.

By the way, I for one would be willing to try micro-brew film.

Steve

I've moved the Mac/DVD off-topic posts to a separate thread here: (there was a url link here which no longer exists)

Ole;

Thanks, but I didn't mind. The info was educational to us all. No problem with me. I learned a lot.

PE

So did I, PE, but since it was turning into a completely separate subject I decided to see if it could be done without interrupting the flow of the thread. I found that it could, so I did.

Besides - I found a "request" for that when reading slightly between the lines, but that was what made me look for the possibility in the first place.

Thanks Ole.

Steve

Photo Engineer said:

My plan right now is to have a textbook of about 150 pages and a DVD of about 2 - 6 hours long with it showing how to do things. I'm in the midst of writers block having found I did things wrong somehow. So, I have to cut and past and in the mean time, I was APUGing. Some of the posts by others bothered me. As you see.

PE

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Ron -
If you start to compile a list of pre-release date sales, please add me to the list.

Keep up the good work!

I have the same problem as several other posters. VERY INTERESTED in what you are doing but not in a financial / room to work / too many other things going on situation to try anything. Hell, it seems like accomplishing a lot if I just move a box of camera gear from one corner of storage to another these days!

PE,
You can count on me purchasing your text and or dvd whem they become available. I for one really do appreciate what you are doing. I sincerely thank you for all your efforts and look forward to someday being able to make my own film and paper using your techniques.

I'm up to 110 pages. Still writing.

PE

Ron,
Your work is far more important than most people realize. I do know that you have the support and encouragement of the APUG community. I look forward to seeing the publications.

As a battered survivor of publishing technical material, may I offer a few suggestions that may (or may not) be of help? Since the intended audience consists mostly of educated practitioners, a "map" of the relevant variables helps immensely. In visual terms, a grid of the variables and their relative values of importance. The grid of course simplifies understanding the potential direct, indirect, and interactive effects of one primary variable with another. This can then serve as the basis for discussing first-, second-, and third-order effects/outcomes. This "map" also helps organize the buildup of descriptive material as you write.

I work with index cards arranged and re-arranged into separate stacks as I begin to fit in data and build text. This is my version of "random access memory", learned when the term "computer" still meant slide rules. Eventually the stacks of index cards self-configure themselves into the chapters and sections. If I have an important item that I still had not come up with, I simply write on an index card "Graph goes here", or " Results of second confirmation run goes here." For me the index card method works ten times faster than any computer, since the cards are physical and visual at the same time.

Know that you have our collective support, as well as my admiration for your dedication.

Rico

I have no plans to coat anything myself but I'm going to buy your book in order to support your work and to get one more copy of it out into the world for posterity.

I won't rule out the possibility that I'll change my mind about trying something after I've read it.

Your work is valued, Ron. Thank you.

I'm a workin on it! Right now, reached another impasse requiring reorganization of the text. But I'm at about 110 pages. I have a friend who has published (samizdat) who I'm seeing in a few weeks. I'll talk to him about some options.

The book reads reasonably well in first draft. The DVD will help immensely.

I'll keep you all posted.

With my thanks.

PE

i think your work is important and interesting....and needed. do not worry about copy rights....put it out no matter what! it is necessary info so do not let it go with out passing it on.

someday i would like to coat my own film. someday we may need to be able to do this in order to shoot film.

thanks for your effort. put me down for a copy.

eddie

Eddie;

Cost to me so far is over $10,000 USD. Beleive it or not. Silver and the blades are expensive.

Sorry for the personal note.

PE

PE,

Please put me down for two sets (book and DVD) when they are published. I know I am going to wear one of them out from repeated reading / viewing.

Thanks,

Bob M.

Count me in for a copy as well.
My apologies for not getting involved directly with
the discourse here sooner, but a poor computer, a going out of business
darkroom, and full time studenthood have conspired to limit me
to observer status.
I have slowly but surely been acquiring materials to begin my
own emulsion experiments, and wanted to give a bit of thanks
to you and all of the other participants on this forum.
As I close the doors to my darkroom I am experiencing
first hand the impact of digital, yet I am so pleased and
satisfied to see this exchange grow and flourish!
As soon as I get results, good or bad, I'll be sure to post them!
oh, one more thing...is silver/sulfide the appropriate ISE probe to
measure pAg+?
best of luck to all!

Silver sulfide has been used, but is not preferred.

Usually, we used either pure silver or silver plated with the dominant halide used in the precipitation. The potential was expressed as vAg rather than pAg due to the fact that vAg was more accurate and precise.

I have posted some comparisons of vAg and pAg here before. Here are a few others. These are taken from the emulsion simulator I described in another thread.

1.0 molar KBr, Predicted vAg = -110.48 mv, found -110.4
0.1 molar KBr, predicted vAg = -50.17 mv, found -50.2
0.01 molar KBr, predicted vAg = 7.14 mv, found 7.4 mv

I found these in an old notebook.

PE

"LET THOSE WHO DO, TELL THOSE WHO DONT"

Photo Engineer said:

Eddie;

Cost to me so far is over $10,000 USD. Beleive it or not. Silver and the blades are expensive.

Sorry for the personal note.

PE

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THE TITLE is accepted english translation of a story hundereds of yrs old that will allways be pertinant

around 1970 i accepted a consulting position with a published author who was not, then, fluent in english, but was very experinced in self publishing and had very deep pockets

thru my association with him i learned the book publishing trade here in the us

music publishing, my particular area of expertese at the time, i learned after my own work was stolen and then played in 24/7 rotation in the ny metro area around 1968- i had been in the music biz since 1954-and that is how i came recomended to this author

i hope that pe will continue to share all aspects of his project so that 'those who dont' can become aquainted with the incredible investment in both time and $$$$$ necessary to bring this baby to birth

pe has allready put in public domain, here in posts, enuf real info to have filled many books, and the lost real income from his alltruism is enuf to give any nyc lawyer nitemares

all who allready profited from his personal commitment to education and the idea that those who know must tell those who dont, must support him in all ways available to them

fair is fair


vaya con dios

PE
you are much more respected photographer than you think. It is difficult to find "good" and usefull book today, but no question your will be more than fine. You are not in any "trouble", as you said, and good news is you made it known we can expect your book. I think also you should think to expand the content out of making own film... but also and to include so many other things. It will find wider audience and ALL beleive in you, again, far more than you think.

www.Leica-R.com

Dear PE

I will certainly buy the book, and it will have an 'honoured' space in our library
of Photo Journals dating back to the start of the last century.

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited

I will also buy the book/DVD. It sounds like a great idea. Count me in!

Ron,

My deepest and most sincere respect for your work. Ones existance on this planet only can be judged by hers or his legacy, and yours will surely be honoured.

All the best, and enjoy life,

Haris

Thanks to everyone for your comments.

Try starting here: (there was a url link here which no longer exists)

And read to the end of the thread.

It seems that I am a fake and have lied about my Kodak credentials.

This is what I'm talking about, and it gets so discouraging. Why does this go on? Why is the internet like this? I just cannot understand. I feel like giving up when I actually get as many notes like yours above as I do those at the referenced URL by Michael.

PE

I doubt that I will ever make my own emulsion but I find your posts fascinating, informative and well presented.

I'm not sure why the internet 'is like this' as you put it, but these people are best ignored (easier said than done, I know).

Since you can prove your abilities with results from actual film and paper coated, it really doesn't matter if your highest qualification is a PhD in chemistry or a driving licence for a lawnmower. It's the practical results that count (not that I doubt your credentials).

Please keep posting - I will definitely by a book.


Steve.