Thanks Ralph. So if Oct 2004 is 01 then we should be good for deciphering dates until 99 months later which is still over 3 years from now. As long as Ilford don't change the coding system then we should be able to simply start again at 01 in 99 months from Oct 2004. Of course at that point there will be two "01s" but it is unlikely that retailers will still be selling Oct 2004 paper although some e-bay sellers might be! However a simple question such as: "Is this paper many years old?" will still determine which of two possible dates is the correct date.
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My code is 25b503c09 = Nov 2006 Would this be correct? Paper was purchased from Freestyle Sept 2008.
Oct 2006 if I'm correct.
Keep in mind, well stored paper is good for many years. Ilford estimates of around 3 years are very conservative in my opinion. I have used paper 5-10 years old with no problem.
By the way, marking the box with the purchase date is a very good idea!
Ralph, Your avatar scares the sh#t out of me! Every time i see a post from you all i can think of is Anthony Hopkins from "Silence Of The Lambs"
If it's that simple why want Ilford tell us that secret....
Transperancy is all what we need...
What if the paper is older than 2 or 3 years old? Does the consumer, the ultimate customer of Ilford, have a right to know?
Put a premium price on new, a stated guarantee on the old. Pricing is a fair way of solving the problem. Any retailer that takes years to turn of their stock is going out of business anyway unless they have a real large margin. I don't believe photo retailing is a high margin business.
That would make sense, but I don't think the dealer margins are big enough to provide a meaningful price difference to the consumer. They would always go for the newer paper, just in case.
I was thinking of maybe 30%. The program would work better if supported or implemented by Ilford. The dealer should also take a hit and get rid of it. They cannot eat it, pay their electric bill, mortgage, so get the crying towel out and get it over with. Of course, they should adjust the ordering quantity accordingly. If the mfg. only allows for larger minimum orders, try buying form larger dealers or set up a local co-op.
Its a problem for everyone unfortunately.
I was thinking of maybe 30%.
I was not aware any manufacturer actualy did that.I would not care about the dates if they quit making paper with a short shelf life to save money.
Would you buy paper that is 2-3 years old from your dealer if you can get paper which is much younger. Who is he going to sell the older paper to?
No, but I was not able to detect the real production date.
In former threads I already mentioned my concerns about the lack of transparancy at this point. The papers, today, are not cheap and the risk that they sell you an old rol at 127cm width for about 500,=!!! (mind you) is not very customer friendly.
I don't think the issue is old paper. The paper is 'good' for many years. The issue, however, could be NOT buying 'older' paper, which could create a problem for dealers and Ilford.
Then a "good to" or "expired date" should be used. Or, if "good forever", put that on the box. I understand the issues for dealers and Ilford, but that doesn't mean ignore the ultimate buyer, the consumer.
I think you know better than me how bad the storage conditions by (most of) the retailers are. So my concern about this is for me a big issue and that's why I want to know of the paper is one year old or three or even more!
Would you pay the full price for a brandnew car, standing for 1 or more years in the showroom??
Or even worse with the price increases from the previous years added. It's a same...
Of course, this date depends a lot on the storage conditions, but you're right, it would be helpful, and is what Agfa did.
Thanks for that. I appreciate that very much.Well, I gave you the key. Now, you know how old an Ilford paper is.
Last week I walked in by a retailer and saw some paper on the self and with the new knowledge I was curious about the production date.Next time you order it, ask for paper with a batch number of not lower than ...? I don't know. What paper age are you willing to accept? What is fresh?
I don't think the issue is old paper. The paper is 'good' for many years. The issue, however, could be NOT buying 'older' paper, which could create a problem for dealers and Ilford.
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