Ilford Delta 3200 now in 100' rolls

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Ilford Photo announced via their social media channels yesterday that Delta 3200 is now being produced in 100' rolls for bulk loading.
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Hm, that's an interesting proposition; I had not anticipated that. Given the typical use case/pattern, which for many people seems to involve occasional use when a particular situation calls for it, I'd expect that a bulk roll is not the most plausible route.
 
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I agree that it wasn't an obvious choice. It's something I might use but I doubt many photographers use *that* much D3200. Could be something showed up in the recent survey that lead Harman to think it's a worthwhile, low risk product to add to their portfolio.

Certainly adds to the image of them as remaining totally committed to B&W film photography.
 

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It is odd, but maybe it has a place in the wedding photography market? The wedding photogs I know shoot a lot of 3200.
 

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They may have thought it would be a good choice for the younger kids shooting a lot of hand held stuff with old 35mm cameras or one of the new half frame cameras in available light, although I hadn't heard of the young set being into bulk loading...
 

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Agulliver said:
Could be something showed up in the recent survey that lead Harman to think it's a worthwhile, low risk product to add to their portfolio.

Certainly adds to the image of them as remaining totally committed to B&W film photography.
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Almost by definition the above must be the reasons. It was never clear to me why it wasn't done before, given the film is produced in very large rolls and the machinery for bulk rolling is already there

It must be very popular as it is showing an "out of stock" label already
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Currently there's a $4 price difference between the 120 and 35mm versions of this film.
 

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I've been told by a local camera shop that Delta 3200 is one of their top 3 Ilford sellers, behind HP5+ and FP4+, but far ahead of the other Delta films and Pan F. Wouldn't have guessed it, but sales results (must) show the demand.
 

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Agulliver said:
35mm is almost always more expensive than 120 as the "confectioning" of 35mm film is quite expensive.
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Is the confectioning of a $15 35mm film more expensive than the confectioning of a $10 35mm film?
 

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loccdor said:
Is the confectioning of a $15 35mm film more expensive than the confectioning of a $10 35mm film?
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I'd have thought the answer is no but as the comparison was between confectioning 35 mm and 120, is there any films made in both 35mm and 120 where the differential is not reflected or reflected to a much smaller degree?

My vague impression is that all 120 films are relatively cheaper than their 35mm counterparts but I might be wrong

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I wonder if it could also have something to do with the recent price changes. In the past month or so Harman prices have gone up significantly compared to Kodak prices here in the US (possibly tarriff-related but actually higher than the announced tarriff rates), and I've noticed that single-roll Ilford films have fallen on the B&H best-sellers list during that same timeframe, while the Kodak counterparts have risen on those lists.

At least for me, I've switched to pretty much exclusively buying my Harman products in 100' reels because it's the only way it's financially competitive anymore. As someone who shoots a significant amount of 3200 speed film (both at weddings as someone suggested above but also in other event photography), I had moved completely away from D3200 because Tmax 3200 was just more financially viable. With the announcement of D3200 in bulk rolls, and with the suggested price listed on Ilford's website of around $150-$160 for 100', I will have to revisit my calculations when it hits shelves.

My thinking, extrapolating from this, is that Harman may be releasing more films in 100' reels because their pricing model offers them at significantly cheaper rates than Kodak in that bulk format, and they may be doing so to find a way to stay competitive without reducing their profit margins.
 
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this is great, but what I really want is D3200 in sheets. Maybe Ilford will get there or maybe they'll add it to the annual ULF sale.
 

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abruzzi said:
this is great, but what I really want is D3200 in sheets. Maybe Ilford will get there or maybe they'll add it to the annual ULF sale.
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Highly unlikely. It exists in 120 purely because they were able to get the 135 triacetate base to run through the 120 slitting/ packaging system and deliver 120 rolls that passed their quality requirements, rather than building a 120 coating package for clear triacetate base. This is also the case with a number of Ilford specialty emulsions and the Kentmere budget emulsions. Sheet formats would require a further rework to coat on polyester base - and would probably not justify the ROI unless they were to transition the whole coating of the product to polyester base (not impossible, cf. certain Kodak products in 135/120).
 

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xkaes said:
I can't find it anywhere in the USA -- so far.
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It takes a while for container ships to cross the Atlantic....
& takes a while for companies to order once a new product is announced.....
 

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I guess PRE-orders are a thing of the past. They died out with the Pentax 17.
 

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It has made it to the Canadian distributor, Amplis.
$259.00 CDN on their web retail store.
Perhaps the US distributor, which is essentially Roberts Cameras, is hesitant due to the current trade uncertainties.
 

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