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Today I had the most amazing bittersweet experience. In an old pack of expired Bergger paper, I discovered this other paper that's like film? It has the emulsion and flat side like flim. It was bigger than 8x10 but much smaller than 11×14. I exposed on the flat side then tested it in developer. Something very interesting came out like a sketch of my image! Put it in Stop. THEN, when I put it in fixer, the imagine turned a skeletal black!!!! What the heck. I had 25 sheets and I only used one for test strips. I made beautiful prints but then the paper finished and no idea what it is. Please help me.
 
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Were the results high contrast?
It may have been litho film.
Did it turn your developer pink?

Hello. Developer was fine as I printed on some other types of papers for a few hours after. Later when I dumped, Normale. I do think it's some kind of film or emulsion paper just can't find anything like it online. It's see through. I wouldn't say high contrast but it made my blacks, BLACK.
 
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Hello. Developer was fine as I printed on some other types of papers for a few hours after. Later when I dumped, Normale. I do think it's some kind of film or emulsion paper just can't find anything like it online. It's see through. I wouldn't say high contrast but it made my blacks, BLACK. BTW... it's transparent.
 

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Hi, I'd guess that Ansel is likely right about it being a litho film. I see online references to an Aristo ortho litho film. Aristo is a brand name, and "ortho" roughly means that it is not sensitive to red light. So it could be handled in a darkroom under red safelight.

You might do a search for this... lots of sample images come up so you could compare with your own results.
 
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Hi, I'd guess that Ansel is likely right about it being a litho film. I see online references to an Aristo ortho litho film. Aristo is a brand name, and "ortho" roughly means that it is not sensitive to red light. So it could be handled in a darkroom under red safelight.

You might do a search for this... lots of sample images come up so you could compare with your own results.

Unfortunately, I've searched everything I can think of and ilford ortho plus black and white negative film came up but that's not it. I'm going to attach some examples of my work tomorrow morning when I go to the lab for reference.

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It's like this texture of paper. Before developing out of the package, one side was dark emulsion like film and the other flat like the backside of film. When developed, the image comes alive then once put in fixer, it turns transparent with black color outlining the image and you need to hold it up to the light to see the image or else it looks black.
 

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Welcome to Photrio @Kimberly s
What you describe is not a 'paper', but evidently a film product.
one side was dark emulsion like film and the other flat like the backside of film.

That's odd because film doesn't have a dark emulsion. The emulsion on black & white film is generally off-white or pale grey. The backside can vary in tone from a dark grey or even black (on some specific types of film such as mammography x-ray film) to a pale grey.

I do think it's some kind of film or emulsion paper just can't find anything like it online.

'Emulsion' is the generic term for the light sensitive layer on a film or paper.
What you've got is evidently some kind of film.

It was bigger than 8x10 but much smaller than 11×14.

Sounds like it might be 32x40 cm, which is a common paper size in Europe (Bergger is French). It could well be something along the lines of what @Rick A posted above, although that is different from your description:
* It comes in 8x10" and 11x14", but no sizes in-between (although someone might have cut smaller sheets from a bigger sheet or roll size)
* Before processing it's red on the backside and pale yellow on the emulsion/front side, so neither side would appear as 'dark' under typical darkroom safelight conditions.
However, since you mention it's an old/expired box you found, it's possible that it's a prior version of the product made/sold today.
 
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This certainly looks like it could be it. It's a shame, I cannot see much examples of what might be in the box and general searches of print film are not helpful. I am certain the size is likely 8.5/10.5 because I was testing all the papers I had in this load and this pack was one of two which were a little over 8x10. I am not sure it's a bergger paper because I had two packets of the same paper and only one had this extra packet with it. However, using the same settings, I was able to get a decent print with both the bergger and mysterious paper.

It's incredibly unfortunate this situation, I pretty much only make images using expired paper unless it's a contact sheet and a lot of my papers are what others deemed garbage/unusable. These papers I was messing with yesterday were acquired some years ago.

I'm hopeful when I go to the lab in a few hours here that some attachments might be helpful. Your reply seems on the right track.
 
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This looks like it could it it! I'm not sure. This is what one side of the paper looked like and other a more blackish color. And the sizes available seem to match at 8.5x11. I'm guessing it might have been an expired version. Thank you so much! Very good idea to specify they're more like sheets than paper. I'm going to attach my images later if you could have a look and see if you think it's the same.

InkPress Regent Royal Film Sheets

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Please see attached for reference. One side is gloss, other side is flat.
 

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Looks like litho film for halftones and line negatives. Developing in an ordinary developer should give mid tones.
 

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Thanks for posting the sample images. I concur with mshchem that it looks like a litho film. But... I would say that they DO show some mid-tones. If you had used an actual litho developer (like Kodalith A plus B, for example) there would be much less in the way of mid-tones. It's sorta hard to judge, though, with the busy background you used.

As a note, if you want to show the images to people you might consider putting them in front of a computer monitor showing a plain white screen. (For example, maybe use a word processor program such as 'Notepad' in full-screen mode). If you want to take a digital photo like that, try to get the film a couple inches away from the computer screen. Otherwise you're likely to get "moire" in the digital photo.
 

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