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I want A Hasselblad. Talk Me Out Of It!

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Andrew O'Neill

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I will be interested in your verdict of the 645 system you just had given ?

I need to take it out for a spin! Got to get these other projects out of the way first. The crappy Winter () weather (every) doesn't (stinkin') help (day) either!
 

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I have been using Hasselblads for many years but left it when digital snatched my soul some 13 years ago. After recovering I went with a Bronica GS mainly because I wanted a rectangular negative, the square never really worked for me. As Andrew's point in considering Hasselblad actually IS the square I see little reason not to get into it besides money.

But given my experience with the Bronica GS I would now also consider the SQ as I found the system (two bodies, five lenses, three backs, zero problems within the one and a half year I own it by now) and lenses to be less troubled with problems than what I used from Hasselblad (two bodies, four lenses, three backs, six went to the shop within the first year) but still that may be anecdotal evidence. The quality of the bronica-lenses for the GS is nothing to worry about - and I mean at all, I can concentrate on other things - and the same is true I was told for the newer SQ-lenses. With Hasselblad I would also prefer to have the newer lenses in particular cases. The FLE-wideangles being one example, as some of the older ones need to be stopped down very far (4/50 Distagon needed f 11 2/3 in my sample) to get the corners into focus.
 
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I've said this before about Hasselblad and the "square" format negative and I'll say it again, if Hasselblad had been 6X7 instead of 6X6 it would be the only camera I own. When I shot weddings I used a Koni-Omega system for a while and working with that 6X7 format was a breeze since the lab was always setup for 8x10 prints or equivalent dimensions. That meant no "in camera" cropping with the Koni-Omega. When I got my Hasselblad it took me a while and a few mistakes to get the "in camera cropping right for the 8X10 print type dimensions. I finally took four square pieces of electrical tape and stuck them onto my focusing screens corners to let me know exactly what's cropped proportionately right. For my wedding work I thought of the Hasselblad as nothing more than a glorified 645 camera with excellent lenses. By the time you got done cropping to 8x10 proportions you could have just used a 645 camera.
I bought into the Bronica GS1 system a little more than a year ago and really like it, and its lenses. The camera has a few quirks, but works perfect. Is it better than my Hasselblad? No, it's just different. Is it better than the Pentax 67 system I have? No, it's just different. Different strokes, for different folks!
 

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You can easily shoot 645 with the Hasselblad 645 back. Frame lines are found on the grid focusing screen.
 

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And the plot thickens...

 

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I need to take it out for a spin! Got to get these other projects out of the way first. The crappy Winter () weather (every) doesn't (stinkin') help (day) either!

I appreciate that comment.
I have a TLR and a 35mm sat on the back seat of my truck just waiting for some interesting light.
 

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No 645 camera will shoot vertical and horizontal without turning the camera or the back. 6x6 can.
 

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I shot my RZ for so long when I'm shooting a Hasselblad (using a similar left hand grip to what's on my RZ) I find my right hand instinctively reaching for the focus knob of the RZ, thus thin air. I have had to put a lens knob on my 80mm (Hasselblad) so I can find it

I love square format.

But It's all good on 120.
 

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You can easily shoot 645 with the Hasselblad 645 back. Frame lines are found on the grid focusing screen.

You can - but it's not practical to shoot portrait 645 with a Hasselblad, which is what you'd want for making 8x10s of the "happy" couple at a wedding.
 

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You can - but it's not practical to shoot portrait 645 with a Hasselblad, which is what you'd want for making 8x10s of the "happy" couple at a wedding.

Eh; not practical? Back in the day it was done all the time.
 

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You can - but it's not practical to shoot portrait 645 with a Hasselblad, which is what you'd want for making 8x10s of the "happy" couple at a wedding.

Well, I just bought a very rare A12V Hasselblad back that gives vertical 645 portrait orientation, albeit without increasing the frame count. As there is no dedicated viewfinder or mask for this set-up, you must use the checkered viewing screen, which gives both vertical and horizontal 645 frame lines. These days that screen might cost more than the back.
 

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Back in the day it was done all the time.

Fine on a tripod with a prism finder. Not practical handheld with any finder, not practical on a tripod with either the chimney or waist-level finder. The vertical 645 back is identical to shooting it on a normal 12 back - you need to crop in the viewfinder either way. So, put two strips of 8mm-wide masking tape on either side of the focusing screen. Then any 12 back is a vertical 644 back. Fun!

I used a Hasselblad EL/M on its side with a chimney finder to take portraits of my kids last Christmas (using a 16 back). That was genuinely terrible.
 

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Yes, cropping…

Yes, masking viewfinder, whether with the provided mask or tape or grease pencil, if so desired…

Yes, composing with prior knowledge and experience…

Yes, both tripod and handheld.

Yes, either prism or WLF…

And most definitely yes… turning the camera is genuinely terrible. Maybe even worse than that. Photography with square format Hasselblad is incredibly flexible and adaptive but tgat was pushing it a bit too far.
 
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Yes, masking viewfinder, whether with the provided mask or tape or grease pencil, if so desired…
Afair, the outer gridlines of the grid-screen also indicate a crop to the 8x10 ratio vertically as well as horizontally. The system was conceived with and used for decades with cropping being an option.
 

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Oh yes, the 45 degrees finder on portrait orientation. Pure pain. And in general, the 45d prism only raises the camera slightly from the WLF position.

While on topic: you need to remove the film magazine to swap finders.
 

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Afair, the outer gridlines of the grid-screen also indicate a crop to the 8x10 ratio vertically as well as horizontally. The system was conceived with and used for decades with cropping being an option.

… if not an expectation!
 

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I found the cropped (taped corners) best for me. It allowed me to make shots much quicker during the wedding ceremony than trying to view the crop lines on the screen. Some wedding photographer or action shooters might have been able to crop via the crop line very fast, but not this dim wit. I needed all the help I could get so as not to screwup. The biggest fear I had shooting weddings was how to explain to the brides mother as to why the best picture of the whole wedding didn't come out. Luckily I never, ever had to do that. I knew several wedding photographers in my area that did and from what they told me is that it was a fate worse than death.
Now that I shoot for my own pleasure the taped corners are long gone!
 

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I love my 500 C/M so I'm probably not the one to talk you out of it.
Maybe I can talk Andrew out of it when I offer him mine for a reasonable price. I own the 500 C/M and it's a lot of ado compared to a Rolleiflex like the 75/3.5 Planar.