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M Carter

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OK, I have successfully braced up my old Beseler 67, made a DIY adjustable lens board, a glass carrier that's pin-registered to the neg stage (thanks shapeways!) and even had success registering masks with a 3-hole punch and silkscreen-style tape-down pins. Don't ya think I deserve a more legit enlarger? I was looking at the Beseler 23C, but as long as I'm upgrading... I do own a Cambo 4x5 after all…

So by fall I'd like to be shopping the used market. I've read dozens of comparison threads, and finding one will take some hunting and some luck. But it looks like availability-wise, I'll end up with a Beseler or an Omega D-series. I don't want to wait a year to find an LPL or some other dream enlarger (though who knows what will turn up)

There may be other brands that pop up, but my main goals will be good working condition, a registered (or register-able) glass carrier, a lens board, and (hopefully) something that doesn't need a lot of other parts to change to 6x7. (I'll keep my little Beseler for 35 and maybe some 6x7 - I mean, it's a pretty badass enlarger now). I have a dedicated darkroom that's about 8' x 15', 8 foot ceilings, with an adjoining dark 3' x 5' room with worktable, papercutter, and storage so space isn't a huge issue. The room can be torn up as needed if I need to wall mount or anything - I can shore up walls like a mofo if needed.

So a few questions for those in the know:

Do all variants of the Omegas have (or have the possibility) to have a pin-registered glass carrier - as in registering the carrier to the enlarger? Or is that a given at this level? What about the Beselers?

Is there still pin-regsitering gear being made (Lynn Radeka, etc)? And can any 4x5 carrier be modded to work with a legit pin setup (those giant silkscreen pins kinda suck)? Or do I need to focus on specific models to be able to accurately do registered masks?

Any other thoughts on fairly-available brands and models? A lot of stuff you folks rave about on the "which 4x5?" threads never seem to appear unless there's a rainbow and a leprechaun. (Yeah, luck and timing…)

Anything else I'm not thinking of? I like condenser heads just fine, though I see cold light heads popup from time to time. My budget will hopefully be up to a grand or so, and it seems like half of that could be for a pin setup alone. But Omega D's popup for under $500, I see Omega ProLabs from time to time for decent prices.

I'll probably be hunting Craig's List cities within 200-400 miles of Dallas, and watching eBay. I could up my budget potentially (there are several pricey LPLs on eBay today), I could potentially fly to a city within 500-600 miles, pickup, and rent an SUV to get 'er home (another $250 or more but could be worth it).

And finally, thanks all you APUGers - 2 years ago I dusted off my old enlarger after 15 years. I had never heard of masking, lith printing, knew next to nothing about split-grade and archival washing, testing film and dev combos, etc. - much less tearing apart a stuck RB lens and reviving it with step-by-step APUG messages! It's pretty amazing (not to mention humbling) to come this far based on a few books and all the generous help from you nice people.
 

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Sounds like you've already done a lot of homework and put quite a bit of thought into the move up to a 4x5 enlarger.

The obvious obstacle (which you've already thought of) is that any purchase of an enlarger this size will most likely be a local pickup. As you begin this journey, I think you'll find that the only models readily available will be the Beseler 45MX series or the Omega D series (again, as you mention already.) I don't know anything about the Omega D, other than a close friend had one many years ago and he had to brace it to the wall like you've already done with your current enlarger. His opinion at the time (and I really respected his opinions on camera/darkroom equipment) was that the Beseler 45MX was a better setup that didn't require any additional bracing; so, that's what I bought! :smile:

Beseler did make a 4x5 anti-Newton glass carrier, but I don't know about a pin-registered one. I borrowed a friend's 4x5 glass carrier, once, but didn't see any perceivable difference in prints up to 16x20. The difference I did notice was what a PITA it was to keep that glass carrier clean! I thanked him when I returned it and continue to use my glass-less 4x5 carrier to this day; about 35 years now. One thing you may want to consider regarding the light source is whether you plan to print on variable contrast papers or not; I assuming here that you're printing B&W only...who prints color in the analog darkroom anymore? :D Anyway, if you plan to use VC papers you probably want to consider a color head or, if you can find one, one of the Aristo VC coldlight heads.

Good luck and let us know how it goes.

Best regards,
AlanH
 

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So a few questions for those in the know:

Do all variants of the Omegas have (or have the possibility) to have a pin-registered glass carrier - as in registering the carrier to the enlarger? Or is that a given at this level? What about the Beselers?

Is there still pin-regsitering gear being made (Lynn Radeka, etc)? And can any 4x5 carrier be modded to work with a legit pin setup (those giant silkscreen pins kinda suck)? Or do I need to focus on specific models to be able to accurately do registered masks?

My Chromega Dichroic II 5D-XL does not have pin registration for the negative holders. I asked Dave & Norma C. Smith [joboman@aol.com http://www.darkroomdoctor.com/] and Dave recommended that I not bother to put the pins in. He said that later Omegas did not have the pin registration. I do have not missed the pins and found that the small amount of movement available for the negative holders is useful.

Anything else I'm not thinking of? I like condenser heads just fine, though I see cold light heads popup from time to time. My budget will hopefully be up to a grand or so, and it seems like half of that could be for a pin setup alone. But Omega D's popup for under $500, I see Omega ProLabs from time to time for decent prices.

I am happy with the color head and since I bought it I have gotten back into color printing. I believe that I paid about $200 to $350 from Craig's List for the enlarger with the color head, voltage controller, timer and foot control. 50mm and 80mm were bundled with the enlarger. The Chromega Dichroic II 5D-XL is well built and does not require any additional bracing.
 

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Not the answer you are looking for but a Durst L1200 has pin registration built into its Femoneg carrier which makes life very easy.
 

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You might also check the LFF since it's more geared towards US & Large Format. You can search for LPL & see if any FS come up. Just curious, do you need pin registration? I've been printing LF for around 40 years and have never had a need for it. L
 

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I'm down sizing and getting rid of my Elwood 5x7 enlarger, but keeping my Omega D-6 enlarger. By this time next year I hope to be relocated in Colorado.
 

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... The Chromega Dichroic II 5D-XL is well built and does not require any additional bracing.

The reason that i do not need bracing is that I am using workbenches that are built with industrial strength steel and are therefore quiet stable and do not shake or vibrate.
 

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Alastair Inglis makes pin-registered carriers for the Beseler 4x5 and punches.

Thanks, Steve, I vaguely remembered that somebody made these carriers for Beseler 4x5, but couldn't remember the name. That said, however, like Luis-F-S I've been printing 4x5 on my 45MX for 35 years using the standard glassless carrier. Nobody ever complained that I made poor prints.

Best regards,
AlanH
 

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Omega film carriers come with the slots for pin registration.
 
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Regarding variable contrast - with the 67, I've had great success doing split contrast with the 00 & the 5 filters alone; but what I do is drop 52mm glass camera filters in the safe-light red-thing holder under the lens. They fit perfectly, and I've found yellow and (I think) cc 40m filters emulate the contrast filters just fine. Especially with the 67, not touching the lamphouse to swap filters is really nice.

If I'm not doing split and just need, say, a 3.5 for a flat-ish neg, I just stick an ilford in the drawer. So to me, it's far more convenient than a color head. And I do a lot of lith and bromoil where filtration isn't as big a deal. For 2nd pass lith, yep, I try to dial in the print and then go a stop or so darker and maybe fog the print a bit to give the fix something to chew on. (Though the 67 series variable contrast B&W head just looks really, really handy - try to find one used though!)

As for masking - I'm pretty fascinated by unsharp masking (no registration really needed)… and just started playing with SCIM and highlight masks. So highlight masking requires the sandwich to be accurately registered, and SCIM means pulling the neg holder and swapping out a mask, so the neg carrier needs to be repeatably placed. And glass carriers seem like a good idea for sandwiched negs. So I'd like to have glass as an option, even if some of my stuff uses glassless. SCIM seems like a key to really kicking up the drama of a print with great tonal control. In the 80's I came into the biz doing color seps and whatnot, so I have a good grounding in registration and masking concepts.

The masking techniques really interest me for fine tuning and it appeals to me to "keep that stuff alive" and sort of honor these traditions of methodical analog techniques in service of emotionally compelling creativity - I have absolutely zero interest in digital negs and really want to learn to do great printing. (Funny, my day-gig, I'm in Photoshop for hours and hours. I try to be humble, but I'm a Samuel-Jackson-level baaaad MF with photoshop. I just don't want it for analog, at all.)
 
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Too bad we're so far apart. I have a spare 4x5 omega D5XL.

But man, I do love Ontario! Grew up in Detroit with a Canadian dad, summers in Grand Bend and the Huron coast. When I travel, it's usually Canada, feels like my real home when I'm there. Vancouver, Montreal, Ontario. Sometimes I want to get the hell out of this freakish texas hellhole!!!
 

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But man, I do love Ontario! Grew up in Detroit with a Canadian dad, summers in Grand Bend and the Huron coast. When I travel, it's usually Canada, feels like my real home when I'm there. Vancouver, Montreal, Ontario. Sometimes I want to get the hell out of this freakish texas hellhole!!!

Does this mean a road trip to Canada is being formulated?
 

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But man, I do love Ontario! Grew up in Detroit with a Canadian dad, summers in Grand Bend and the Huron coast. When I travel, it's usually Canada, feels like my real home when I'm there. Vancouver, Montreal, Ontario. Sometimes I want to get the hell out of this freakish texas hellhole!!!

Alastair Inglis advertises on APUG, and is based in Vancouver, BC.

It is Canadian karma, eh!

My understanding is that Alastair is very approachable - contact him!
 
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Drive up, and return with a 4x5 enlarger! :smile:

Let's talk - I really want to reconnect with some Detroit friends this fall - and get another look at those Diego Rivera "Industry" murals at the DIA before the whole city goes under!

And if I could get some LEGIT POUTINE in Toronto? Icing on the cake! (And if the Hip are in town, My Mrs. would come. She's nuts for the Tragically Hip!_
 

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Let's talk - I really want to reconnect with some Detroit friends this fall - and get another look at those Diego Rivera "Industry" murals at the DIA before the whole city goes under!

And if I could get some LEGIT POUTINE in Toronto? Icing on the cake! (And if the Hip are in town, My Mrs. would come. She's nuts for the Tragically Hip!_

Just saw them last year. Fully, Completely. I'll research the poutine situation here. :smile:
 

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I have a very complete Durst 1200 that I might sell in a weak moment. I'm located just south of Austin, through some awful road construction if you are driving south from Dallas at night. I just did that last week. Ugh! PM me if interested in beginning a conversation. Bill Barber
 

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Some time back I converted an Omega D type condenser enlarger to do pin registration as I was printing multi masked Cibachrome prints.This required removing and re installing the negative carrier many times,(often 4 or 5 times for one finished print.The condenser enlarger gave me sharp images and if needed an opalescent Plexiglas diffuser gave any softening needed(the best of both worlds).Like you, laying CC or contrast filters in the drawer above the condenser lenses worked fine as adjusting the filter wheels in a color head didn't always give repeatable results.So my vote/suggestion would be go for the Omega,it's plentiful and comparatively inexpensive and I'd be glad to help out with the registration if you'd like.
Good luck,
Don
 

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I have both an Omega D5XL and a Beseler 45 available and I'm in Dallas County. PM if interested.
 
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