I hate when people assume.

John Austin · Mar 24, 2012

tony lockerbie said:
I also have a Tele-Rollei, that's a Rollei with a big lens.....how will I go with that!

Wonderfully most of the time, but the problem with Tele and WA Rolleis is that phuq**g collectors recognise them and want to buy them off the tripod - I now only use the Tele for test sessions to save on 10x8" film

I am having a clear-out and I don't need two sets of .35 Tele-Rolleinars, if you are in need please let me know - I don't know a price yet but will think about it before dinner - After dinner my thinking gets expansive, you don't want that

benjiboy · Mar 24, 2012

If people assume I can't shoot digital they'd be right, but I have no desire to, I don't want to have to learn photography again.

Steve Smith · Mar 24, 2012

jayvo86 said:
like saying you can't use a cell phone.

I'm sure I could use one. I just choose not to.

Steve.

Rick A · Mar 24, 2012

I only use a P&S digisnap for posting items for sale online, I've been shooting film for 50 years and don't plan on stopping any time soon. I have zero desire to learn the computer skills necessary to use a better quality digicrap image capturing device. I would rather utilize that time doing what I already know and love.

benjiboy · Mar 24, 2012

Rick A said:
I only use a P&S digisnap for posting items for sale online, I've been shooting film for 50 years and don't plan on stopping any time soon. I have zero desire to learn the computer skills necessary to use a better quality digicrap image capturing device. I would rather utilize that time doing what I already know and love.

Me too, my sentiments entirely Rick this will be my sixtieth year of shooting film, and although I could afford to buy high end digital equipment, I'm happy with what I have, and I'm still trying to understand the wonders of film photography.

David A. Goldfarb · Mar 24, 2012

When I'm out and about with a film camera, people who express an opinion usually seem to think, rightly or wrongly, that working with film is more serious.

David Brown · Mar 24, 2012

chriscrawfordphoto said:
I've met a lot of film-only photographers who have all kinds of idiotic ideas about digital because, frankly, they don't know how to do it. Taking pictures with a digital camera is easy, the processing of the image is a totally new skill set that involves learning software (like Photoshop and Lightroom), learning about monitor calibrating and color managing printing. This stuff is not easy, and people who have taken the time and put in the effort to learn it are not 'too stupid to shoot film' or any other silly insults you want to throw.

... Ultimately the final image, not the camera used, is what matters....but don't slam others for their choice of medium. It just makes you look narrow minded.

Hear, Hear.

David Brown · Mar 24, 2012

Valerie said:
This semester, when a student found out I don't shoot digital, said "So you're not a real photographer then?"

I politely and firmly corrected him (when I really wanted to squish him like a bug!).

Tell him he "flunked".

benjiboy · Mar 24, 2012

David Brown said:
Hear, Hear.

Why are digital photographers so defensive about their chosen form of photography ?, I made no criticism of it, all I wrote is that it wasn't for me.

Sirius Glass · Mar 24, 2012

I just really laugh loudly in their face. That usually ends the conversation.

Rick A · Mar 24, 2012

The problem with society is everyone think they cannot live without the "latest and greatest", and if it doesn't have all the bells and whistles it isn't worth spit. After 50 years, I'm finally getting the hang of film, and couldn't care less if my gear is as old or older than me, I purpously bought the stuff so I could understand film better. Many of us bodgers went through a period of having the newest, and suffered dearly for having to relearn what should already be second nature, only because we had to learn what the camera would do for us. I grew weary of having my gear control me, and now control my gear. Back to basics, and creative control.

E. von Hoegh · Mar 24, 2012

Rick A said:
The problem with society is everyone think they cannot live without the "latest and greatest", and if it doesn't have all the bells and whistles it isn't worth spit.....

That's the essence of consumerism and engineered obsolescene right there. If you look at the tools a real craftsman uses, say a cabinet maker, you'll notice they are pretty primitive when compared to the crap at home depot.

The most important tool we'll ever have is right between our ears, and "all the bells and whistles" make it harder to use that one essential tool.

ME Super · Mar 24, 2012

E. von Hoegh said:
The most important tool we'll ever have is right between our ears, and "all the bells and whistles" make it harder to use that one essential tool.

Hear hear!! My two favorite AE modes are Aperture Priority and Shutter Priority. Programmed AE is for flash pictures in those cases where I don't feel like doing the math in my head.

Old-N-Feeble · Mar 24, 2012

Heh... reminds me of the movie, "Quigley, Down Under". He told the bad guy that he did didn't have much use for revolvers. At the end of the movie the bad guy, an expert quick-draw with revolvers, armed Quigley with one "knowing" Quigley, a rifle marksman, didn't have a prayer to defend himself. Quigley killed the bad guy and both of his side-kicks then stood over the bad guy and said, "I said I never had much use for 'em... never said I don't know how to use 'em."

Digitize, 'em baby!!

Vaughn · Mar 24, 2012

I gave a demonstration of the carbon printing process to about photo 25 students yesterday.

After giving the demo showing how much work goes into the process, over half want to do a week-end workshop with the process. Then I made the mistake of asking if anyone would like to opportunity to use an 8x10...all but a handful want to. What have I gotten myself into?!LOL!

Vaughn

Moopheus · Mar 24, 2012

Grumpy Old Man said:
Not so may knobs,

Some digital cameras have more iknobs, iswitches and ithings than all my four view cameras put together - Having a camera with lots of switchy things obviously makes digi-photographers clever in the perception of these digi-photographers

Let's not forget that this stuff didn't just magically appear out of nowhere--film camera makers were already introducing more and more electronics and automation into their products long before digital came along. You could very easily shoot lots of film without knowing a damn thing about how the settings worked. Assuming they weren't using some crappy instamatic. Then you could (and most people did) take their camera to a 1-hr place to get prints back. And eventually they lost the negatives. Only a tiny percentage did their own processing. Now a lot of us like doing things "the hard way"--fully manual controls, darkroom work, etc. But that's not because we use film. That's just us.

Rick A · Mar 24, 2012

George Eastman built his empire on the belief that people are inheirantly lazy. His motto:"you push the button, we'll do the rest". People want machines to do it all for them, that way they can pat themselves on the back for the little effort they put into life.

BrianShaw · Mar 24, 2012

I hate it when people absolutely insist on being binary.

Old-N-Feeble · Mar 24, 2012

^^^ Don't call ME "binary". I divorced my ex-wife because she wanted me to try binary. It ain't NEVER gonna happen!!!

BrianShaw · Mar 24, 2012

cliveh · Mar 24, 2012

In short, I think that in this world of the microchip, many people think photography is about modes and introspective settings within the camera and fail to see the whole result is about what they see and the instant they chose to record it (which incidentally on many digital cameras is not when you press the shutter).

Vaughn · Mar 24, 2012

Old-N-Feeble said:
^^^ Don't call ME "binary". I divorced my ex-wife because she wanted me to try binary. It ain't NEVER gonna happen!!!

Which begs the question, if it was your ex-wife who wanted to go binary, would you still be married...

Old-N-Feeble · Mar 24, 2012

Vaughn said:
Which begs the question, if it was your ex-wife who wanted to go binary, would you still be married...

I ain't sayin' cuz I don't wanna appear to be hypocritical. Suffice it to say that I like girls of of all types.

So... everyone here can "assume" that I'm a typical guy. Some assumptions are okay.

Sirius Glass · Mar 24, 2012

Old-N-Feeble said:
^^^ Don't call ME "binary". I divorced my ex-wife because she wanted me to try binary. It ain't NEVER gonna happen!!!

That makes sense because it would be hard to have a three-some while being binary. She did not want to be ternary?

Old-N-Feeble · Mar 24, 2012

Sirius Glass said:
That makes sense because it would be hard to have a three-some while being binary. She did not want to be ternary?

I didn't know it when I married her but I think she'd have been happy with any old "Roman" however-many-way-photographic experiences. Me? I like stereo with opposite left/right lenses and I'm okay with single lens photography. After all, I've been getting by with single lens photography for a number of years now. I do appreciate seeing opposite images while I'm shooting single-lens though.

It serves me right for ASSUMING that my ex was old-school analog when, at heart, she was modern DIGITAL!!

I hate when people assume.

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