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ZoneIII

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Late last year, I finally ran out of my large stock of frozen Fuji Velvia 50 sheet film. I had used that film since it first came out. I have switched to Velvia 100 but I am having problems. My E.I. for Velvia 50 using my equipment and my meters was always 40, which was what many large format photographers rated it at. When I switched to Velvia 100 I first tried it at it's rated 100 because I had read that, unlike Fuji 50, which generally should be rated slightly slower than it's ISO rating (which my own experience confirmed), Velvia 100 was a true 100 speed film. The results were terribly underexposed.

For color, I have used a Minolta Flashmeter IV for many years to make incident readings in the light of the subject except in difficult situations where I cannot read in the light falling on the subject, in which case I use a Zone VI modified Pentax spotmeter. (I use the spotmeter for all b&w work but have just found incident readings to be better for my color work.) I always had Velvia 50 down pat. Exposures were almost always right on the button.

I did some tests and found that I had to rate Fuji Velvia 100 at 40 or 50 to get decent results which is odd, to say the least. I was suspicious of the film and processing because I found that Helix Camera in Chicago sells it for $30 less for a box of 50 4x5" sheets than anyone else, which seemed odd, but they are a big, reputable store. It was well within expiration date and they keep their pro film frozen. (They are a huge store catering to professionals.) I then found out that Helix had a branch store in the western suburbs of Chicago near my home and that was great news to me because I thought I had a place to drop E6 film off for processing since my old E6 lab had closed. I took my first sheets to Helix and not only were they grossly underexposed, but they were shifted strongly to red, magenta and blue. At that point, I suspected that Helix's processing was bad and/or the film was bad. I contacted Helix but they never bothered to get back with me.

I shot some more sheets at E.I. 80 and E.I. 64 and sent it to a different lab (Gamma, also in Chicago). Almost all were underexposed and unusable but there were no color shifts, confirming to me that Helix probably does have a problem on their E6 line. So, last week I tested the film in it's 120 version using a roll film back in the same large format camera using the same lens as my previous tests and I found that I have to rate it at E.I. 40 when using my normal Minolta Flashmeter IV incident readings. Something isn't right, obviously.

Suspecting my Minolta meter, I compared it to my in-camera meters, one of which had just been adjusted. It matched them almost perfectly when used in reflected mode. Also, I did a quick down & dirty field test that I have used in the past - that is, take a reflected reading off of the blue north sky on a clear mid-day afternoon. (The old "sunny 16" rule.) The Minolta meter matched the sunny 16 rule perfectly.

Sorry for the long post but I wanted to give any information that someone might be able to use to suggest what might be wrong. I should not have to rate Fuji Velvia 100 at the same E.I. that I rated Velvia 50 at (40). What do you rate Velvia 100 at in sheet film sizes? This darn Fuji Velvia 100 is all over the place for me but Fuji Velvia 50 was totally predictable and dependable. Has anyone else had similar experiences with Fuji Velvia 100 or have any suggestions about what may be going on?
 

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I shoot Velvia 100 in 120 and it seems fairly consistent. I process my own in EK chems and rate it at about 80. That includes a boost of about a half minute in the first developer. If the lab is running Fuji chems, theoretically it should be at 100. If the lab is running EK chems at standard 1st dev time, it may be about 64. That seems to be my experience.

Bob
 

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I shoot Velvia 100 at 100, and have it processed by Calypso Imaging. I've never had any problems, and I haven't found the transparencies to be underexposed.
 
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I find Velvia 100 to be more than a stop faster than the original RVP. If you used RVP at 40 then my expectation would be that the 100 needs 100 ISO. If -as I did you rated Velvia 50 at box speed then I'd expect 125 ISO to be the optimum rating. I've used quite a bit of this material in 120/220 and found no variation in speed.
 

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This probably won't help you much but I'll put in my two cents worth. I've been using Velvia 100 almost exclusively for the last year in 35mm. I always rate it at box speed. Most of my under and overexposures are due to my own mistakes combined with the film's own tight latitude. I have never had any problems with inconsistency in the film itself. If I were you, I would buy a new batch of Velvia 100 film from somewhere else and try again.
 

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I too buy my Velvia from Helix in Chicago. While I still have one box of RVP 50 left I did use a box of 100 on a trip a little over a year ago and had no problems.
 

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In Chicago, take it to Precision.
To me, with the shift and everything, it sounds like a processing issue.
Though there could always be other things...
Also, maybe it's an issue unrelated to the film that just happened to line up with your switch?
I can't really imagine what it would be though, 4x5 is generally pretty simple...
I've always rated Velvia 50 at 50, and 100 at 100, though examining my results I really aught to rate the 100 at 125, processed by Precision here in Chicago.
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mark

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I've always rated Velvia 50 at 50, and 100 at 100, though examining my results I really aught to rate the 100 at 125,

Why? Just curious.
 
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E6 is not as standard as you might think, Fuji chemicals and test strips run about 1/3-1/2 stop faster than a kodak setup.
 

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E6 is not as standard as you might think, Fuji chemicals and test strips run about 1/3-1/2 stop faster than a kodak setup.

Yes. Fuji themselves will tell you that Fuji films developed in Kodak E6 chemicals will lose about 1/3 stop.
 
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I used to work in a lab running a dip and dunk E6 process, it was a beast of a machine. One week we had to switch to some Fuji control strips. Not knowing that there was supposed to be 1/3 stop difference screwed up my confidence in my skills as a lab tech for a day.
 
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Well I haven't had a direct reply yet to Zone3. I would say that you need to do a exposure test, try shotting one-two-three stops over. I've never had problems with E6 film that wasn't rated properly by the manufacturer.
 

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what about testing your shutter? i rate velvia 100f at 100 and have excellent resluts in all my formats 135, 120, 4x5 and 8x10.

eddie
 
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