HybridPhoto.com (sister site) initial site launch invitation

copake_ham said:

Bill, First of all, good luck to your Tigers.

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Thanks George! Looking forward to a well played series whatever way it goes. (preferably to us!)

As for the rest of it, I was just answering a question. So far I've found the site very interesting and I've already learned a few things. What it becomes is anybody's guess. Judging by the way Sean guided this ship, I'm trusting him to do the same on the other.

As for the interest you stated here, I'm certain you can learn a lot about it on the other site if you give it a chance.

Bill

Webster says Photography is: the art or process of producing images by the action of radiant energy and especially light on a sensitive surface (as film or a CCD chip)

Two distinctively different processes, right?

Both processes can exist individually or co exist, cross paths, etc., and to what extent is decided by the individual's choice.

The only way to decipher what is posted where is with Rules, of which Sean has created and may possibly update over time.

It should be as easy as:
Traditional = APUG
Traditional combined with Digital = Hybrid
All Digital = Neither site

For those who combine Digital and Traditional processes, Hybridphoto will be a wonderful place to collaborate and share information.

Sean, you're onto the right thing here, and time will iron it all out. Kudos to you for taking this step.

Cody

I think a good way to define "Hybrid" is whether you depend on both a traditional and a digital means to create a fine print (or a fine LCD screen display, if you want). If you just need to scan a silver print, or if you're printing inkjet from a DSLR, then I don't think this is hybrid.

BTW, I just registered, and though I'm not doing much hybrid work now, I'll be very interested in whatever is discussed! Way to go, Sean!

Hello Sean,

I hope that works out for you. It is not what I expected you to do, so I don't see much of a reason for me to venture over there. Unless you ban discussions on colour transparency films here, I will stay on APUG. Sure, I have a hybrid workflow starting with film to do photography for various companies and clients, but that orientation for me is professional, and (for me) best handled at PDN Forums.

Ciao!

Gordon Moat
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Sean said:

Hi All,

I hope the hybrid folks enjoy the new dedicated area and continue to use apug as well. Thanks,
Sean

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Sean, would it be useful to add a link to the hybrid site directly from the agug site? then we wouldn't have to go out of apug, into favourites and into hybrid.
Tim

I totally disappointed with the new site, and wish we had the old "Grey" area back. What was supposed to be about hybrid techniques, seems to be just about digital (Which should I buy, a D50 or D80?). I can get that stuff on pnet, or any of a dozen other sites.

There's one "D50 vs D80" thread, but most of the rest seem to be about digital negatives.

I visited it twice when it first started.

Not for me.

I have a different definition of "hybrid" than what's on there.

copake_ham said:

I visited it twice when it first started.

Not for me.

I have a different definition of "hybrid" than what's on there.

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what else would you like to see discussed there?

roteague said:

I totally disappointed with the new site, and wish we had the old "Grey" area back. What was supposed to be about hybrid techniques, seems to be just about digital (Which should I buy, a D50 or D80?). I can get that stuff on pnet, or any of a dozen other sites.

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hmm out of 68 threads I only see one thread talking about digital cameras and it's in the digital capture forum..

jimcollum said:

what else would you like to see discussed there?

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It has nothing to do with the breadth of discussion on the site - that in fact is what I doesn't interest me.

My first premise is that "image capture" (or, as I prefer to say: "picture taking") should be by using film. And "hybrid" is what you then do with that image. For example, I scan all my film shots (negs and chromes) and save both on HD and DVD etc.

I'm not interested in digital image capture - at least as it relates to "hybrid photography". On my first visit most folks were talking about "adding" or "moving" to digital cameras.

I have two DSLRs and a digital P&S. There's plenty of info on digital gear everywhere - so why another site dominated by it?

Hey, don't get me wrong. If it's for you - fine - enjoy it. But I think its lack of "popularity" stems from a too broad "focus".

Sorry, no desire to offend - just my opinion.

copake_ham said:

Hey, don't get me wrong. If it's for you - fine - enjoy it. But I think its lack of "popularity" stems from a too broad "focus".

Sorry, no desire to offend - just my opinion.

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no problem, difference in opinion doesn't equal offense. was just curious as to what might be missing

jim

copake_ham said:

It has nothing to do with the breadth of discussion on the site - that in fact is what I doesn't interest me.

My first premise is that "image capture" (or, as I prefer to say: "picture taking") should be by using film. And "hybrid" is what you then do with that image. For example, I scan all my film shots (negs and chromes) and save both on HD and DVD etc.

I'm not interested in digital image capture - at least as it relates to "hybrid photography". On my first visit most folks were talking about "adding" or "moving" to digital cameras.

I have two DSLRs and a digital P&S. There's plenty of info on digital gear everywhere - so why another site dominated by it?

Hey, don't get me wrong. If it's for you - fine - enjoy it. But I think its lack of "popularity" stems from a too broad "focus".

Sorry, no desire to offend - just my opinion.

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Well, I think we'd be snickered at if we call a site 'hybrid' then tell people shooting a dslr, making a digital neg, then making a platinum print that they did not use a hybrid process. Why is that not a hybrid process? I'll have the ignore forum option soon and will split the digi/traditional capture forums. People can then ignore the digi capture forum if they want to. as for "popularity" it's registered far more than apug did in it's first few weeks and has gotten great feedback (it's still in beta phase). You stated, "There's plenty of info on digital gear everywhere".. we've been down this road before. People do not want to go to 'everywhere', they prefer the apug environment and hanging out in the alternate environment with people they know from apug..

Sean said:

Well, I think we'd be snickered at if we call a site 'hybrid' then tell people shooting a dslr, making a digital neg, then making a platinum print that they did not use a hybrid process. Why is that not a hybrid process? I'll have the ignore forum option soon and will split the digi/traditional capture forums. People can then ignore the digi capture forum if they want to. as for "popularity" it's registered far more than apug did in it's first few weeks and has gotten great feedback (it's still in beta phase). You stated, "There's plenty of info on digital gear everywhere".. we've been down this road before. People do not want to go to 'everywhere', they prefer the apug environment and hanging out in the alternate environment with people they know from apug..

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I certainly agree with this. I've just started visiting the hybridphoto.com site and appreciate the connection with APUG.

jimcollum said:

I visited it twice when it first started.

Not for me.

I have a different definition of "hybrid" than what's on there.

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what else would you like to see discussed there?

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Let's see ... how do I put this ... let me speak freely, as if I never do ...

I've posted to a couple threads over there, but nothing seemed to really hold my interest.

One thread I did try to join was related to printing, but it was very obvious that the others in the thread were waaaay over my head and totally outa my league. I'm almost embarrased from posting that I print with a hand-me-down HP Deskjet using Office Depot papers. One of the guys at work has this expression "riding a Vespa to a Harley convention" and now I know what that feels like. {semi grin}

Things I would like to see might be ...

Photoshop tips. No, not the drek you see on other sites on how to cook-book this fake look and that fake look, but exchanging tips between film/hybrid users. (No, I don't wanna just run somebody's action, I want to know what to do and why.)

Scanning tips. Hardcore exchange of ideas from people who really know what they are talking about. I'm still climbing the learning curve on this, and I'm sure others are as well. I get so {expletive}-ing frustrated at that other site where just about every question about scanning is answered with a chorus of "get Vuescan" as if it's the universal hammer for all that looks like a nail. I swear if I posted that my car would not start, somebody would tell me to get Vuescan!

Printing. I'm sure there are others like me who shoot film, scan it or have it scanned, do a little P'shopping, then print on a commonly-available printer using over the counter paper and get prints they are happy to show off (as well as several that get ash-canned I'm sure). I'm looking for a new (larger) printer, maybe some discussion on which one to get, assuming that I don't have the budget of one of the EU nations.

Things like that. I think the site has a lot of potential, but it just needs to get started.

Oh well, you asked.

Sean said:

Well, I think we'd be snickered at if we call a site 'hybrid' then tell people shooting a dslr, making a digital neg, then making a platinum print that they did not use a hybrid process. Why is that not a hybrid process? I'll have the ignore forum option soon and will split the digi/traditional capture forums. People can then ignore the digi capture forum if they want to. as for "popularity" it's registered far more than apug did in it's first few weeks and has gotten great feedback (it's still in beta phase). You stated, "There's plenty of info on digital gear everywhere".. we've been down this road before. People do not want to go to 'everywhere', they prefer the apug environment and hanging out in the alternate environment with people they know from apug..

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Sean,

The site will be whatever the users of it decide it to be.

But I think that you may not grasp the fact that many (most?) APUG subscribers/members are here because we shoot film. Whether or not we also develop it or print is less of a common denominator than that we start with film.

As such, APUG may not be the best group from which to recruit members of a hybrid site that starts with digital image capture and then seeks to use traditional processing/printing. Not to say there is anything wrong with that endeavor - and it may indeed be the future - but I think I am not alone in considering APUG to be a "film users refuge".

I think "hybrid" as a means of "traditionally" printing digital images is a bit of a cart before the horse for most of us here who, contrarily, are desparately trying to keep the film art alive - no matter how we work with the resultant images!

As such, to me, its a matter of my photographic first principle. And, like any film user, I have enough to fear for the future of my preferred medium. I am personally not interested in a site that begins with digital imaging - no matter where it ends up with end processing/printing.

But, I wish you all good luck. If the "doomsters" are correct - in the end, I may have no choice but to join you. After all, so far I have a D100 and D70!

I can't believe I read through 7 pages of dried, ground up, horse meat again.

Regards, Art.

As I said on another thread to you Art, You have way too much time on your hands, get your camera out and finish shooting for your show.

gr82bart said:

I can't believe I read through 7 pages of dried, ground up, horse meat again.

Regards, Art.

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I didn't read this whole thread so I might be opening things up where they have already been discussed. I thought and I must be wrong that hybrid was using film, doing digital negs, but printing in a real wet darkroom? Sounds like it is turing into where it is just throwing in a small non digital step somewhere, but it is about 80% or more digital. To me anyway that is really digital with a smidge of token analog to soothe someones sensibilities that they are adhereing to analog. Oh well, that is why I stay here. I like my film and develop it too.

dmr said:

Things I would like to see might be ...

Photoshop tips. No, not the drek you see on other sites on how to cook-book this fake look and that fake look, but exchanging tips between film/hybrid users. (No, I don't wanna just run somebody's action, I want to know what to do and why.)

Scanning tips. Hardcore exchange of ideas from people who really know what they are talking about. I'm still climbing the learning curve on this, and I'm sure others are as well. I get so {expletive}-ing frustrated at that other site where just about every question about scanning is answered with a chorus of "get Vuescan" as if it's the universal hammer for all that looks like a nail. I swear if I posted that my car would not start, somebody would tell me to get Vuescan!

Printing. I'm sure there are others like me who shoot film, scan it or have it scanned, do a little P'shopping, then print on a commonly-available printer using over the counter paper and get prints they are happy to show off (as well as several that get ash-canned I'm sure). I'm looking for a new (larger) printer, maybe some discussion on which one to get, assuming that I don't have the budget of one of the EU nations.

Things like that. I think the site has a lot of potential, but it just needs to get started.

Oh well, you asked.

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Unfortunately, it seems that most experienced techno-weenies have a difficult time explaining something in a way that can be understood by someone without an MS degree in computer technology. Case in point - a few years ago I was just trying to understand the digi thing and the terminology and looking for a definition of 'noise' - it took a very long time searching the web to actually find one - the assumption being that everyone already knew that.

One of the strengths of APUG is the community includes all ranges from beginner to experienced pro and info can be exchanged on any level. That has yet to come on the hybrid site - it may when enough people are there.

Bob

copake_ham said:

I think "hybrid" as a means of "traditionally" printing digital images is a bit of a cart before the horse for most of us here who, contrarily, are desparately trying to keep the film art alive - no matter how we work with the resultant images!

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Traditionally printing images from a DSLR is backwards from the way I do things, but ...

When I first heard of the site, I assumed that "hybrid" meant a generalized combination of traditional and digital photography.

This would be a place I would fit in since I shoot film and usually print in my (pardon the expression) Digital Darkroom, consisting of a PC with Photoshop and inkjet printer.

Although I have a few times developed and wet printed (B&W, not color), using the Digital Darkroom allows somebody of my skills to do far more than I would with a basic tank, tray, enlarger set.

And, like any film user, I have enough to fear for the future of my preferred medium.

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I think lately we've seen some encouraging signs that refute the predictions of the FID know-it-alls, everything from a conversation with a Walgreens manager saying "film sales were strong" last holiday season to Fuji and Kodak (re)introducing (new) films.

I am personally not interested in a site that begins with digital imaging - no matter where it ends up with end processing/printing.

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Although DSLRs don't interest me (now/yet) I do support the right of DSLR users to exist. Hey, if everybody did things my way, the world would be a very boring place. (To me, shooting with a DSLR is like a pianist with a player piano. { ducking, running, hiding }

I really appreciate places like this where I don't get a chorus of "when are you gonna go digital?" when I post something that was taken with a GIII or a K1000.

Oh well ...

What fear for film photography? Fuji is reintroducing a film it just killed, kodak came out with a new film, JandC are moving to a bigger space, Mr. Parker can't keep up with the number of orders for his GG, this site is huge, prices on used gear are going up up up, what more do you want. No it never will be "like it was" but heck it ain't dead either.

It's very basic, hybrid means any combination of digital & traditional. One thread pops up regarding digital capture and suddenly the entire site is now a 100% digital site? Part of the aim is not just to help promote film but all traditional photographic materials. Some think digi capture is bad but is it bad that John Doe made a digicapture then a digineg then bought darkroom equipment, stop, fix, developer, papers and made traditional prints? Maybe he's outputting to the new Ilford paper, great more paper base is being purchased and will stay in production for the traditional papers, etc..

may this horse rest in peace