Pyrocat MC 1:1:100 in trays, but longer development for HP 5 (iso 250) at warmer temps. I'm at 10 + minutes normal at 75 degrees, up to 30 minutes with very low sbr's...with 4-6 sheets or more of 7x17, but I like em dense for azo contact printing.. My efke 100 are around 9-12 minutes plus too at 1:1:100 at 75 degrees. I really like both films...the efke is certainly less expensive and I dont' have issues with scratches using trays. It's a little bit harder for me to work with the efke in low sbr ranges fwiw. But overall I think there is better low sbr film....