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I have been offered a Howtek 4000 drum scanner. Having completed the obligatory trawl through google, I'd love to know if anyone on the forum has had any experiences with it?

I'm currently scanning with an Epson 4990 and want to step things up a little.
I'm particularly interested in the general practicalities of owning one; workflow, speed and the drivers needed to run it.

The actual scanner is in great condition, comes with a spare drum and isn't going to cost me anything... I'd just like to understand what I'm letting myself in for with this.

Many thanks in advance,
Ciaran
 

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The actual scanner is in great condition, comes with a spare drum and isn't going to cost me anything... I'd just like to understand what I'm letting myself in for with this.

Many thanks in advance,
Ciaran

What you will be getting into are high quality scans. A free Howtek 4000 in excellent condition is a God send. Take advantage of it.

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I have one. Does it come with software? It connects using SCSI, so does your computer support this? I am currently using an Apple iBook G3 laptop with a SCSI to Firewire adapter and Silverfast software. I don't recommend this setup, the adapter is buggy and the software is underwhelming. I am considering getting a PC with built-in SCSI and using Aztek's software to run it. Other than that I like it, once I figured out how to mount film on the drums.
 
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Solid advice there, Don. I am delighted about this gift :smile:

Greg: I'm quite sure the software is there, but apparently it's only Windows 95 compatible. I'm running a macbook pro primarily, so I suppose that a dedicated PC might be the way to go - scanning to an external hard drive then editing on the mac? I am hoping a bit more searching might reveal a driver so I can work with Windows 98 instead.

I was thinking about the Silverfast route, but will take your advice a run with the proper software instead.

Thanks,
Ciaran
 

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That's what I do. I transfer the file to a much more capable computer than the one the scanner is hooked up to. If the software that comes with it gives you what you want, then just use it despite the Windows version.
 

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My experience with other Howtek drum scanner models is good. I use Aztek's DPL pro, which is helpful with getting a lot out of the machine and particularly with negative scans. They have a sale on the base program and the Pro upgrade right now. You can run it on a cheap Windows machine and send the scans to your Mac over ethernet. They also have a useful video on wet-mounting film to the drum. Did you get a mounting station with the scanner? That makes life a lot easier.
Aztek has parts and will service these machines but their work is definitely not free... My suggestion if you like the machine is to pick up another one on eBay or elsewhere for back-up/spares.

Drum scanning is not quick. You will still want your flatbed for test scans and stuff for the internet etc.
Good luck and enjoy the sharpness...
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My experience with other Howtek drum scanner models is good. I use Aztek's DPL pro, which is helpful with getting a lot out of the machine and particularly with negative scans. They have a sale on the base program and the Pro upgrade right now. You can run it on a cheap Windows machine and send the scans to your Mac over ethernet. They also have a useful video on wet-mounting film to the drum. Did you get a mounting station with the scanner? That makes life a lot easier.
Aztek has parts and will service these machines but their work is definitely not free... My suggestion if you like the machine is to pick up another one on eBay or elsewhere for back-up/spares.

Drum scanning is not quick. You will still want your flatbed for test scans and stuff for the internet etc.
Good luck and enjoy the sharpness...
Ben

Thanks for the link. I'm not sure if there is a mounting station - I've yet to collect - but I would not be surprised. It was used in a pretty busy work environment.
The machine was serviced and only used twice since, so I do not expect any problems with it. I will keep an eye out for spares just in case.
 

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Thanks for the link. I'm not sure if there is a mounting station - I've yet to collect - but I would not be surprised. It was used in a pretty busy work environment.
The machine was serviced and only used twice since, so I do not expect any problems with it. I will keep an eye out for spares just in case.

Wow I am really envious even though I just picked up a Scitex Smart 340!

You definitely will need a mounting station. If one doesn't come with your haul go ahead and buy one. You really can't mount film without one.

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If everything is working on the 4000 you basically have four software options, but only three that are viable. Those scanners usually shipped with a dongle for Aurora, which is a really horrible piece of crap. No color management and 8 bit output only. Trident is the best scanning app to drive any Howtek (or Aztek) but it was never updated for OSX, and runs on Mac OS9.2.2. The Windows version never really had the bugs worked out. Aztek's DPL does work, but has perhaps the worst interface I've ever seen and does not perform up to the level of Trident, no matter what Aztek claims. Silverfast will drive the scanner and is probably the least expensive option. You can download a trial version to see how that might work. A new Trident dongle runs about a grand from Colorbyte unless you can find someone selling a dongle for less.

The 4000 is the slowest drum scanner Howtek made and you have to make sure you have the version that had the upgrade that drastically reduced shadow noise. I don't remember what that was called, only that it exists. Evan at Aztek would be able to talk you through what you need to know.

It is good to know that Aztek is still servicing Howteks and that you can still get parts. PMTs do gradually wear out but you can replace them yourself with Hamamatsu 931B tubes directly from Hamamatsu.

As has been previously noted in this thread, you absolutely need a mounting station. If your new scanner doesn't come with one, they do show up on e-Bay once in a while and some prepress resale houses sometimes have them as well.

One of the things that you will have almost no information about is the history of the drum itself. It's important to know if it's ever been polished or resurfaced, because if it has and the surface has not been re-annealed, there's a real good chance that Kami scanning fluid could set you up for crazing of the plexi drum. Without knowing the specifics, I would would use a mounting gel and not Kami, no matter how enticing Kami might be. I've used Kami for the past fourteen years with no ill effect, but none of my drums have ever been polished or resurfaced. A new or even refurbished drum can be between one and two grand!

You'll need mounting gel/fluid, DuPont C-42 4mil overlay, and special mounting tape that doesn't come off with the mounting fluid. Then practice.

I spent about a solid month when I got my first drum (a Howtek 4500) way back when - mostly learning how to mount with no bubbles but more learning to get the most out of the software. I ended up giving Colorbyte so much useful feedback that they designated me their chief beta tester. I only wish I could have gotten them to make the jump to OSX. Oh well. Old Macs are really cheap now and I keep three of them around that can run the scanners.
 
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pfigen, thanks for chiming in.

I've been busy of late, and have not had time to collect the scanner... but hopefully in the next few weeks. I am quite sure it is in excellent condition. One owner who cares for his equipment. The speed is not a problem at all. I will certainly see what the software situation is, will get a rundown of the scanner workings, and then look into your software suggestions if needed. What is quite clear is that this isn't like running a flatbed, and it may take some time to coax out the best results.... and I'm fine with that!
 

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Can't speak for using one but having paid for scans from a Howtek 4000 you will be allot more than "stepping up a little" over a 4990!
 
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**Update**

So I picked up the scanner on Sunday. It is in perfect condition by the looks of things; with two drums, mounting station, spare bulbs, all of the mounting fluid/tape etc, Aurora software and dongle - not to mention a copy of Windows 95 and a machine to run it!

Unfortunately I've not managed to start the computer up, and being technically inept am not sure I will ever manage. I see that Aztek DPL will run on later windows platforms, looks a better programme in general, and with a $500 price tag could cost as much as it might to get this Aurora setup going. It would also suit because I have working machines running XP which will have greater processing power than this 95 computer.

So I guess I'm just looking for someone to tell me this thinking makes sense. Will I be giving up anything special with this Aurora software? Will the non-professional DPL version do an alright job with black and white negative film? - the pro version is a little more than I want to commit to right now.

Thanks,
Ciaran
 

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Hi Ciaran,

I've not used the Aurora, but from what I've read about it you'll do better with DPL. I'm not even sure if Aurora does higher than 8-bit scans. I suggest you e-mail Evan at Aztek and describe your intended use so he can help you with the standard/pro question.

Best, Ben
 
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Hi Ben,

Aurora is limited to 8-bit scans. I guess there is little point owning a nice scanner, to throw away information by not having the proper software. I sent Aztek an e-mail yesterday and the upgrade path from standard to pro is easy - just pay the difference. I think I might just go with that.

Cheers,
Ciaran
 
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