There is no need to take into account the fact that 2 grams constitutes a fatal dose
Tom Hoskinson said:1) Preparation of this article has shown me that pyro does indeed produce less-visible grain and greater edge sharpness,
2) The fact that famous photographer A used pyro and made remarkable photographs is not a reason for choosing pyro.
Dave Miller said:I rather get the impression that Tom's not impressed!
Tom Hoskinson said:Quite right Dave!
I am impressed by logical reasoning processes that lead to well designed experiments which produce useful data.
I see no evidence of that in either of Howard Bond's pyro articles.
Jorge said:To add another kink to this, how about doing a test of unsharp mask vs stand development. From what I have heard those who practice SD seem to swear by it and the sharpness it produces.
Jorge said:Well, Kirk and Sandy have been going round and round just to agree on what kind of densitometer and what values should be used when testing staining developers with a step tablet. These are two knowledgeable people and they cant seem to reach an agreement. Methinks designing a good experiment and publish it will always leave someone unhappy. Is the debate really worth it?
I agree Tom, but in science we at least have a set amount of procedures where we all agree give the correct data, here not even that is agreed.Tom Hoskinson said:Jorge, IMHO, YES! That is the way science is supposed to work. Honest, sincere debate and critical review of the experimental results are fundamental parts of the process. I am only unhappy when the results are a useless dead-end.
Jorge said:Really, Pyro is becoming another putrfact dead horse we keep beating on, and on, and on......
c6h6o3 said:"It is wise in any case not to make too much of the issue of developer choice, since the effects of variations are perhaps not as vital as many suppose them to be." -----Ansel Adams, The Negative
Alex Hawley said:Yes, and Ansel himself has several examples in "The Negative" where he used pyro for one reason or another. He even gives the formulas for ABC and a PMK predecessor in the book.
Bond's statement about great pictures being taken without pyro is the one absolute truth in the article. I find all this pursuing of the magic bullet very boring. Its sort of like marketing fishing lures; every one of them is guarenteed to catch fish. But it doesn't gaurentee the user will know how to use it.[/QUOTE\]
Nahh let the weenies fight it out. I find the arguments revealing and sometimes refreshing and informative. There is just no telling what will come of artists discussing their art. I once broke up a fistfight between two Regimental Band members who disagreed as to the proper method of carving an oboe reed.
dr bob said:I once broke up a fistfight between two Regimental Band members who disagreed as to the proper method of carving an oboe reed.
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