How To: Using Multi-Spot metering on Canon T90?

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I'm curious if anyone could walk me through how to use the multiple spot metering, or any of the more advanced metering methods I hear raved about so often. The manual wasn't terribly clear on it and outside of basic functions I haven't mastered all of the settings on the camera.

I don't have it in front of me to try it out as it's out for a shutter repair, but if you guys could help that would be appreciated!

Thanks :smile:
 

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This may not have direct correlation with the t90, but as far as I know based other on cameras that have multi spot meter capability eg: EOS 3 and the om4 and 3. It's basically are somekind of multi averaging but based on the spots you've picked. Normally I used them on what I regard as highlights, shadow, and mid tone.
 

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What Dave says is correct.. also, per the EOS 3 manual, such readings [8 readings max] are compared with in-house light/shadow patterns to arrive at an exposure suggestion. However, since all reflected meters will go by the 18% gray card reflectance theory, I tend to rely on spot metering and change the exposure the way I want the image to be.. I find it easier to manage.
 

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I tried to use it when my T90 was still working, but this was more "tit and miss" than anything else. I finally settled on the conventional spot metering and the two "up" and "down" buttons at the back to place the value in the right "zone".
 

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This explains it http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/canont90/htmls/metering1.htm if you consider this camera came out in 1986 twenty five years ago the metering system is fantastic,and was light years ahead of anything available at the time, it's a shame it was only manufactured for about a year, the first Minolta AF SLR killed it although it was a "mugs eyefull" that's what the general public wanted, although at the time the T90 was the best 35mm SLR in the World if they don't sell they are nothing.
 
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This explains it http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/canont90/htmls/metering1.htm if you consider this camera came out in 1986 twenty five years ago the metering system is fantastic,and was light years ahead of anything available at the time, it's a shame it was only manufactured for about a year, the first Minolta AF SLR killed it although it was a "mugs eyefull" that's what the general public wanted, although at the time the T90 was the best 35mm SLR in the World if they don't sell they are nothing.

As I may have written already on APUG, I still think the T90 was the best SLR Canon ever made. It's as nice as my EOS3 for one third of the weight.... If only they made a reliable shutter for it !
 

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As I may have written already on APUG, I still think the T90 was the best SLR Canon ever made. It's as nice as my EOS3 for one third of the weight.... If only they made a reliable shutter for it !

I have three T90s Laurent two of which were gifts from friends who had had them since new and put them away for twenty years because they didn't work, the T90 is a camera that needs to be used regularly or the shutter magnets become magnetized and fail to function, and a few sharp raps of the baseplate in a semi hard surface like a carpet can free them, all my T90s work now and to avoid this happening in the future before I put them away I put the shutter speed on B press the shutter release and remove the batteries to keep the shutter magnates apart.
 
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Ben that's not a bad idea! I'll have to keep that in mind when storing the camera. My shutter was still working normally, but if you saw my other thread it was creating these strange lines on my film.

Anyways, I'll just keep playing with spot metering and try the arrow buttons out. I tend to have my external meter with me usually anyways as I always did with film. Not so much with my digital cameras these days, but when I was shooting 4x5, I never left home without my meter!

I appreciate the tips guys, I really enjoy the T90, it's a wonderful camera to hold and I hope it'll last several years :D
 

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I have three T90s Laurent two of which were gifts from friends who had had them since new and put them away for twenty years because they didn't work, the T90 is a camera that needs to be used regularly or the shutter magnets become magnetized and fail to function, and a few sharp raps of the baseplate in a semi hard surface like a carpet can free them, all my T90s work now and to avoid this happening in the future before I put them away I put the shutter speed on B press the shutter release and remove the batteries to keep the shutter magnates apart.

This looks like a good idea. My T90 is currently out so that I get an estimate of the cost to make it work again, I'll do this if I get it repaired.
 

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This looks like a good idea. My T90 is currently out so that I get an estimate of the cost to make it work again, I'll do this if I get it repaired.
I find the T90 metal alloy shutter is remarkable because it's practically vibration free even at six frames a second there's not an lot of vibration, Canon used to say when they manufactured the camera that there was no mirror lock on it because it was unnecessary.
 

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On the multi spot metering...
It basically allows you to choose which parts of the image you want to average together. You choose the spots and press the multi spot button over each. You can read more than once on a single spot to give it more "importance" in the calculation. The camera does nothing more than average out the readings you choose so its really all up to you. Your skill, luck, intuition, whatever is all ya got. Its a cool tool though in tricky lighting situations. Just another way to an end on a camera with many ways to the same end. Using the highlight/lowlight adjustment will work as will the standard exposure compensation controls. Nice thing about the T90 (my all time favorite 35mm SLR) is that it gives you options.
 

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Your quite correct Ed, and IMO It's a truly amazing exposure system for a camera that came out in 1986, 25 years ago, I like the T 90 so much I have three of them :smile:
 
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I may buy another one in the future. I feel a bond with this camera as it was released the year I was born :wink:
 

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The spot metering IMO has better use than just taking a reading of several areas and then "averaging" them. If the "contrast" of your scene is larger than the "dynamic range" of your film, such an average reading will lead to an image which has a certain amount of blocked shadows and a certain amount of burned highlights, and that is not necessarily what you would have wanted. You might have wanted to avoid burning highlights first, and let shadows fall, and block, where they may. In this case, spot metering is the solution to the problem.

The superiority of spot metering is in being able to exactly "place" "spots" of your scene on the characteristic curve of your film and being able to visualize the results, especially when your blanket is shorter than what you would need to cover the entire scene.

A typical example would be to use spot metering when taking an outdoor high-contrast scene with slide film. With slide film, what you want to avoid is to burn highlights. Also, you want your highlights to be "highlights", i.e. near-whites. That is, you want to place your highlights on the "near-whites" zone of your film.

You spot-meter the highest light zone that you want to be "readable" in your slide (that would be within "zone VIII" in zone parlance). The immediate reading of the spot light meter would render this spot as middle grey. You want it to be whitish, so you open by 2 and 1/3 EVs, (supposing your slide film begins burning highlights shortly 2,3 EVs above middle grey). If your spot light meter reads 1/125 f/22 (measured exposure) on the highlight zone, you set your camera at 1/125 f/10 (aperture at f/8 and then closed 2/3 toward f/11). That is the "calculated" exposure for the high lights.

You now "scan" the scene with your spot light meter concentrating on the lowlights, they will begin blocking at 2,7 EVs below your calculated exposure. In this case, lowlights will begin blocking on "spots" where your spot light meter reads 1/125 f/4 (reading for middle grey on film). Beware, those spot reading 1/125 f/4 is not going to turn out middle grey in your slide, that's going to turn out quite dark (somewhere in zone II in zone parlance) and is where your shadows will begin to "block" on film. (That is, because you are taking the picture at 1/125 f/10 not at 1/125 f/4).

By scanning the scene, you can visualize which shadows will "block" on your film and decide if the image is going to result in something you like.

It goes without saying that if you see a too high amount of blocked shadows, or you see that spots with meaningful shadows where you would like to see details will block on film, you can:

- give up taking the picture and wait for a different light condition, if outdoors;
- adjust lighting, if indoors in studio;
- examine whether to use fill-in flash, reflectors etc.
- exclude some lowlights zone from the composition, study a new composition;
- exclude some highlight zone from the composition, and recalculate exposure to open up shadows;
- accept some highlight burning if that is acceptable for the final result;

Any kind of averaged, or even worse "matrix" reading will not give you a clear idea of where the high lights and the low lights of your scene "fall" in the characteristic curve of your film.

If you use negative film, such exact "placing" is not vital (you have room for compensations in printing, and in general negative film have much higher dynamic range, you will get plenty of details in both high lights and low lights).

If you use slide film, correct "placing" of highlights for difficult, contrasty scenes is of paramount importance, and spot metering is your best friend.

Learning to properly use a spot light meter with slide film will save you from a lot of bracketing :smile:

Fabrizio

EDIT for clarification. If the scene has highlights indicated by your spot meter at 1/125 f/22 and low-lights indicated by your spot meter at 1/125 f/2 and if you just "average" the two extremes, you will obtain something around 1/125 f/6,7 and by using that value with slide film you will grossly burn your highlights. By using the method outlined above, you will expose at 1/125 f/10 to preserve correct highlight rendering and, before taking the picture, scan the lowlight zone knowing that wherever the light meter reads less than 1/125 f/4 you will get a blocked shadow. After this "scanning" you will take the picture or adopt one of the corrective actions.
 
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I may buy another one in the future. I feel a bond with this camera as it was released the year I was born :wink:

Another one is a good idea for several reasons, one of them being the lack of availability of spares and servicing for the T90, so if the worst comes to the worst you can use one body as a donor for your camera tech to cannibalize and keep the other one going .
 

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I just got my second one. Just in case I have to cannibalize.
 
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