?? How To Identify Glass Plate DDS ??

[Old-N-Feeble]

I'm going to sell some glass plate holders and know nothing about them. This isn't a FS thread because I don't yet know what I have. I'll list them on eBay when I can provide accurate information for buyers. I can post images and measurements if needed but if anyone has links to information I can research that would be greatly appreciated. My google-foo hath failed me today.

 

[t-royce]

Post a photo or two and folk will see about identifing them. If yuo have any Whole Plate (6.5" x 8.5") or larger I might be interested. If you is in S.A. I'm just up 35.

 

[DannL.]

I think just about everybody lives up I-35. ;-)

I would give inside and outside dimensions, including thickness. A picture and description of construction. If there's a patent date and manufacturer's name, that really should suffice.

 

[Vaughn]

Any markings on them? They might be from a time that had many 'standards' for plate holder dimensions -- hard to know which camera they might have been made for.

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

There are three different kinds of holders. None have markings anywhere.

I'll make three separate posts. Here's the first set. I think these were from a Russian camera.

Outer Dimensions: 8-1/2" x 11-3/16" x 7/8"
Inner Dimensions: 7-1/16" x 9-9/16" x 13/32" deep

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

Here's the second set. These are all wood with no metal hardware anywhere except the locking tabs and the spring.

Outer Dimensions: 8-5/16" x 11-3/16" x 5/8"
Inner Dimensions: 7-1/8" x 9-5/8" x 5/16" deep

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

Here's the last set. These have some brass hardware. One of these also has a removable insert (reducer or adapter) on each side.

Outer Dimensions: 8-1/2" x 10" x 13/16"
Inner Dimensions: 6-3/4" x 9-1/8" x 3/8" deep
Insert Inner Dimensions: 4-3/4" x 6-3/4" x 11/32" deep --- NO PHOTOS OF INSERT

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

Sorry it took so long to update but a neighbor stopped by with some serious computer issues and they took a few hours to resolve.

 

[DannL.]

I'll say the top two sets of holders are 18x24cm, whilst the bottom set is whole plate, with half plate inserts. I'll gladly stand corrected if I'm wrong.

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

I'll say the top two sets of holders are 18x24cm, whilst the bottom set is whole plate, with half plate inserts. I'll gladly stand corrected if I'm wrong.

I think you're right about the top set with waffled plastic sides but I don't know anything else.

 

[Mustafa Umut Sarac]

contact with our Ian Grant.

 

[removed account4]

hi ONF

do you have the metric measurements for the INSIDE ?
i would also include that tidbit of information ..

good luck sorting through this !
those old holders look pretty.
john

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

hi ONF

do you have the metric measurements for the INSIDE ?
i would also include that tidbit of information ..

good luck sorting through this !
those old holders look pretty.
john

John, I'll add metric measurements. As with the SAE measurements, they'll be very close but perhaps not absolutely exact (within a mm or closer). I hope everyone will forgive the way I do this... reply to my own posts... because I can no longer edit the originals.

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

THIS ONE IS SOLVED: Russian FKD 18cm x 24cm

Does anyone know if these can be modified to fit other cameras? Links?

--- Sorry for replying to my own posts but it seems the best way to add metric measurements without confusing the issue. I can no longer edit my original posts.

There are three different kinds of holders. None have markings anywhere.

I'll make three separate posts. Here's the first set. I think these were from a Russian camera.

SAE...
Outer Dimensions: 8-1/2" x 11-3/16" x 7/8"
Inner Dimensions: 7-1/16" x 9-9/16" x 13/32" deep

(ADDED) Metric...
Outer Dimensions: 216mm x 284mm x 22mm
Inner Dimensions: 179mm x 243mm x 10.5mm

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

Metric dimensions added...

Here's the second set. These are all wood with no metal hardware anywhere except the locking tabs and the spring.

Outer Dimensions: 8-5/16" x 11-3/16" x 5/8"
Inner Dimensions: 7-1/8" x 9-5/8" x 5/16" deep

(ADDED) Metric...
Outer Dimensions: 211mm x 284mm x 16mm
Inner Dimensions: 181mm x 244.5mm x 8mm

 

[Ian Grant]

I think you're right about the top set with waffled plastic sides but I don't know anything else.

Most likely for an FKD 18x24 camera, the only post war camera of it's type.

The problem with the others is there'[s so many variations between British & Continental Book-form DDS plate holders and there were no standards. I agree on the plate sizes though 18x24cm and Whole plate with Half plate inserts.

Should add the edge fit is also critical.

Ian

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

Metric measurements added...

Images of insert added but could only make them attachments (thumbnails)... click to see larger.

Also added images with this film holder hinged open (two different holders of the same make/style).

Here's the last set. These have some brass hardware. One of these also has a removable insert (reducer or adapter) on each side.

Outer Dimensions: 8-1/2" x 10" x 13/16"
Inner Dimensions: 6-3/4" x 9-1/8" x 3/8" deep
Insert Inner Dimensions: 4-3/4" x 6-3/4" x 11/32" deep --- NO PHOTOS OF INSERT

(Added) Metric...
Outer Dimensions: 216mm x 25.4mm x 20.5mm
Inner Dimensions: 171.5mm x 232mm x 9.5mm deep
Insert Inner Dimensions: 120.5mm x 171.5mm x 9mm deep --- NO PHOTOS OF INSERT YET

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

Most likely for an FKD 18x24 camera, the only post war camera of it's type.

The problem with the others is there'[s so many variations between British & Continental Book-form DDS plate holders and there were no standards. I agree on the plate sizes though 18x24cm and Whole plate with Half plate inserts.

Should add the edge fit is also critical.

Ian

Thanks, Ian.

RE Fed FKD 18x24cm camera... yes, that definitely "rings a bell" in my mind. I believe this is correct. Do these holders fit any cameras other than the Fed or can they easily be modified to fit other cameras?

By "edge fit" do you mean the shape of the wood and the hardware? I was hoping the photos would show this. Are there any other photos I should provide which would help identify these holders?

 

[Ian Grant]

Holders can sometimes be modified, depends how adventurous someone wants to be. It can be quite hit or miss trying to get holders that fit European cameras, the US standardised much earlier in the early 1900's although there's a few exceptions

Looking again I think your photos are clear enough.

Ian

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

Thanks, Ian. I added photos of the wood and brass holder hinged open. The other two types of holders don't hinge open like that.

Please correct me if I'm wrong: I'm guessing the holders with brass hardware are for wet plates. The paper backing with stains seems to be a hint??

I'm sure the the Russian FKD are for dry plates.

I can't guess what the all wood holders with no brass hardware are for... wet or dry??

 

[DannL.]

The mahogany holders would have all been dry plate holders, probably 1890's - 1910 or so. The 18x24cm holders might be as new as the 1970's or 1980's, and maybe even more recent.

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

The mahogany holders would have all been dry plate holders, probably 1890's - 1910 or so. <snip>

Thanks, Dann. Are you referring to the all wood holders with no brass hardware?

These... ?

 

[Ian Grant]

They are all dry plate holders and similar were still made up until the 60's by Gandolfi (also sold as Watson) they gave the option of backs for Book-form or modern international plate/film holders. Other companies switched to the International standards after WWII except the Russians.

One major problem is that manufactures often had more than one type of plate holder of the same size, I have 4 or 5 different Thornton Pickard 1/4 plate holders all quite different.

I'd check the widths against International sizes like 18x24/10x8 and Whole plate.

Ian

 

[DannL.]

I agree with Ian that all would have been for dry plate. But, that doesn't mean they were used exclusively for dry plate. My 5x4 is one of those. The holders were once loaded with paper negatives while still wet. The holders may exhibit residue of dried emulsion and corrosion had someone tried to load them with wet plates or paper.

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

Excellent... so now I know all are dry plate holders. Are the Russian holders specific to the FKD 18cm x 24cm camera and won't fit any other camera without modification?