Mateo said:The peroxide isn't going to do anything that the citric acid from you lemon isn't doing already. Either one will work; the idea is to get the wash water PH to nuetral or slightly below as the cyanotypes are sensitive to an alkaline environment.
Mateo said:You got a ph meter or some of the strips handy?
Fulvio said:I tried to add potassium ferricyanide in the first bath, but I couldn't tell the difference.
psvensson said:Bummer. Obviously there's more to learn about this. Thanks for trying.
Regarding your clearing problems, have you tried adding some oxalic acid to the sensitizer? I've heard this can help clearing.
Fulvio said:Unfortunately I haven't oxalic acid and in my city it is difficult to find raw chemicals, I have to order them by mail. However, I do not really want to mess with toxic acids for now.
I haven't sized my sheets before coating. Maybe is this the cause of the excessive staining?
One last question: how much sensitizer do you use for each layer of coating? How much drying time do you let pass from the first hand of sensitizer and the second? Finally, how much time do you keep drying the finished sheet of paper before exposure? Do you expose your print facing directly sunrays or slightly behind in diffused sunlight?
thank you
ps - ever tried coffe or tea as toners with cyanotypes? the coffee did a nice work, but how about the archival status of the print?
A couple of glugs of white vinegar will do just as well. Some users report using lemon juice and it should work when using a sufficient quantity in the clearing bath. Concentrated lemon juice should have enough citric acid in it to work ok.psvensson said:This is not correct - the acid and peroxide do different things. The peroxide doesn't acidify the water, it oxidizes Prussian white to Prussian blue. A print developed in an acid first bath loses a lot less density in the wash, especially from the highlights. This means a much longer tonal scale.
I'm not sure lemon juice is going to do enough to make a difference, though. I use a tablespoon of citric acid powder to 1.5 l water as the first bath, in addition to the potassium ferricyanide. This makes a huge difference to the tonality of the print.
In his monograph on the cyanotype, Mike Ware recommends 1% solutions of nitric or hydrochloric acid over citric acid, but I don't want to mess with concentrated acid.
Fulvio said:Thank you everybody for your suggestions.
How I can get rid of this staining?
donbga said:Don't double coat. One of the keys to making nice cyanotype prints is the type of paper you use. Try Arches Platine with the traditional cyabotype formula with 2 parts A and 1 part B. The tonality, highlights, and DMAX will be outstanding. Use Vinegar or citric acid to clear the print. If your blues are washing away you are under exposing and or over washing.
Have you tried printing a series of step wedges to determine the minimum printing time with your light source, paper, and processing work flow? Doing so will help clarify what is going on with your cyanotype printing.
Fulvio said:I'll try with the oxalate, as soon as I can get some of it.
Another apug member (Mateo, page 1 of this thread) suggested to always double coat paper. Why are you suggesting single coating? With double coating I noticed darker blue tones. Although they are not as dark as I would. Is it the paper so important? Do you size the paper before coating it?
As for the stepping wedges, I will surely calibrate my negatives once I'll start producing them with my own printer - which I don't have (yet). I'll probably buy an Epson, like almost everyone else into alt. photography...
donbga said:I would avoid the potassium ferricyanide but I'm curious to see the differences you report. Can you post some examples?
Don Bryant
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