In addition to being dependant in meter vs. feet and the film speed, with focal plane bulbs the GN is also dependant on shutter speed.
It would be a lot easier to use Class M bulbs and a flash synchronizer (Graflite and solenoid, or Graflite and synchronized shutter) than fiddle with focal plane flash.
I’ll give you an honest answer, Donald... it was too long and convoluted. I tried. Sorry if I missed the mark. Gray area is hard to master when one seems to be struggling with basics. Good luck to you. Looking forward to hearing about your progress.Does anyone read the OP any more? I
I have an idea for building an LED-based flash unit that would support the 1/8 second or so (I think I can get enough light out of LED units made to replace halogen bulbs in headlamps).
If you have an LED source, can you kludge up a focal plane meter and use it to gather the data to create your own guide number calculation?
Why short duration? LEDs are good for continuous illumination.
Oh, come on, Donald, you're a big strong fellow. You don't have to carry a car battery. Years ago I made a 30v battery belt so that I could use a 30 v Lowel Light in the field. Fifteen 2v sealed lead-acid cells taken from a telco backup battery, wired in series. Back when, I could travel by air wearing the wretched thing.A lightweight battery has a limited amount of power. Car headlamp LEDs draw several amps, and require approximately 12V at that current level. Power tool batteries (as the power source likely to be readily available) also don't like to operate at that level of current for very long (they'll overheat).
You’d need one hell of a LED source to do what bulbs do.
Not only power, but also spectral smoothness and content.
And does such a light source have warmup time?
With such a source would it not be easier to just turn it on, take the photo and turn it off?
Sure you could do it. I’m just thinking how much is carefully timed switching buying you? As opposed to just turning the lamp on, taking the photo and off again. One second.Dan, a Speed Graphic and Grafmatic is heavy enough. Put on a mount for at least two headlamp LEDs and an 18V power tool battery, and I'll be hand holding ten pounds or more. Yes, a belt battery is one option, but power tool batteries also have lithium chemistry, so they hold a LOT more energy for their weight than lead-acid -- and I'd like to be able to carry a spare, just in case. You can overheat lead-acid cells, too -- so continuous operation isn't a good idea. And no, I'm not a "big strong fellow" -- I'm 61 years old, out of shape, overweight, arthritic -- in other words, pretty typical for Photrio.
Have you seen LED headlamps? They replace a 70W or higher halogen bulb. Two of them give something like 20,000 lumens (and they're sold in pairs only). In my car (retrofitted from halogen) they come up to brightness pretty much instantly. The color spectrum is blue-white compared to regular halogen, so ought to be close to daylight -- and for B&W it won't matter much.
I'll likely use a relay with series capacitor in the coil circuit to time the light, and I can set the switch up to have it start a tenth second early if that turns out to be necessary. Running a quarter or even a half second isn't the problem -- but running continuously will overheat a power tool battery in less than a minute, and those things cost well over $100 for the good ones.
As I was kicking this idea around in my head, it occurred to me to wonder how the old timers arrived at correct exposure with focal plane bulbs?
So I'd have a box of bulbs (back in the day) that would say "in 8" polished bowl, ASA 100, 1/125, GN 45 feet" or something similar?
the #31 flashbulb was putting out 1.4 million lumens, albeit only for about 50 milliseconds.
But with 50 ms burn time, that wouldn't be very useful with the focal plane shutter, unless it's dark enough (and no light sources in frame) to use open flash. The 2A would have a more relevant figure for this discussion.
No, you're misunderstanding. The long burn time should carry through for the entire shutter travel, so you could have used any shutter speed. Either of those bulbs would have given a guide number of about 100 to 120 (feet) at 1/500 seconds.
Okay, you said 1.4 million lumens for 50 ms, I read that as being a regular flashbulb. The shutter travel on my Speed starts above 125 ms at the lower tension settings.
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