How many winds per frame Zeiss ikonta folding?

crumpet8 · Dec 13, 2016

so I just got this camera and the film winds right to left, so I loaded up a roll of portrait 160 upside down but now I can't see any numbers in the red window. Does anyone have one of these? How many rotations per frame? Wondering if my shutter release lock/winder is accurate?

Alan9940 · Dec 13, 2016

I can't tell from the picture which Zeiss folder you have, but I have a 6x9 Zeiss Mess Ikonta which feeds right to left and I have no issue with seeing the frame numbers in the red window. Do you know which model you have? A Google search perhaps...

crumpet8 · Dec 13, 2016

Alan9940 said:
I can't tell from the picture which Zeiss folder you have, but I have a 6x9 Zeiss Mess Ikonta which feeds right to left and I have no issue with seeing the frame numbers in the red window. Do you know which model you have? A Google search perhaps...

I believe it's a
Ikonta C 523/2

Red Window on bottom right corner

MattKing · Dec 13, 2016

Use a flashlight to check - the new film numbers on Kodak 120 are a lot fainter than the old ones used to be.
There has been a serious problem with the new ink used by the backing paper supplier interacting with emulsions.

MattKing · Dec 13, 2016

Also, if you end up having to rely on the number of turns of the winder, the number will vary over the length of the film. One turn at the beginning of the film will move the film less than one turn near the end.

Sirius Glass · Dec 13, 2016

Look at the numbers in the red window because the number of turns changes through the roll.

MattKing · Dec 13, 2016

Sirius Glass said:
Look at the numbers in the red window because the number of turns changes through the roll.

Sirius:
The numbers aren't showing up in the red window! It could be due to the new Kodak backing paper.
The OP may have to switch to either Fuji or Ilford, at least until the next batch of Kodak backing paper appears.

macfred · Dec 13, 2016

I guess this manual should help http://www.cameramanuals.org/zeiss_ikon/zeiss_ikon_ikonta_ii.pdf
Like Allan said - I guess your Ikonta feeds from right to left !!

Sirius Glass · Dec 13, 2016

Sirius Glass said:
Look at the numbers in the red window because the number of turns changes through the roll.

MattKing said:
Sirius:
The numbers aren't showing up in the red window! It could be due to the new Kodak backing paper.
The OP may have to switch to either Fuji or Ilford, at least until the next batch of Kodak backing paper appears.

I know. I was covering all the possibilities. I had the same problem with a circa 1935 Certo Dolly SuperSport if I tried to shoot 645. It worked well on 6x6.

darinwc · Dec 13, 2016

How do you "load it upside down"?

If you load the film on the wrong side, the winder will actually be rewinding the leader back onto the reel.
The only other way to do it wrong is to load it inside out. So the film is facing backwards and the backing is toward the lens.

Either way, you are not going to get an image and you may be ruining the film.

moto-uno · Dec 13, 2016

I'm rather inclined to go with "darinwc" on this matter . As I've used this new Kodak film with the
backing paper problem and had no trouble seeing the numbers in the red window of my Welta Weltur.
And as a happy aside, Kodak replaced the film free of charge and delivered to my home . That is truly
commendable ! Regards,Peter
As the Welta is a 6x6 , it may not be a relevant remark I just made , however, my Mockba 5 has the second window in the lower right side and I can read the same Kodak film numbers through that window also .

nosmok · Dec 14, 2016

Assuming you have a 6x9 camera, and a 120 take-up spool, 2-1/4 turns at the beginning of THE FILM (not the paper) and slightly less than 2 at roll's end should give you at least 7 shots per roll. Put the break point after exposure #4 to begin, experimentation will tell where is best. Draw a line with a marker from the center to the edge of the wind knob for your reference, of course.

thuggins · Dec 17, 2016

You may want to check my posting titled "Upside Down Film".

Alan9940 · Dec 17, 2016

darinwc said:
How do you "load it upside down"?

If you load the film on the wrong side, the winder will actually be rewinding the leader back onto the reel.
The only other way to do it wrong is to load it inside out. So the film is facing backwards and the backing is toward the lens.

Either way, you are not going to get an image and you may be ruining the film.

The way roll film is wound on to the spool assumes the film is fed from left-->right (looking at the camera from the back.) This way, when you set the film emulsion down--after development--all markings on the film edge read properly. My Zeiss 6x9 folder, and it sounds like on crumpet8's folder, too, a new roll of film is loaded on the right side and winds to the left. That is, right-->left; ergo, upside-down. It really is a bit disconcerting when you put the negs on a lightbox for review. I normally have to turn 'em a couple of times before I get the orientation correct!

frank · Dec 17, 2016

You could sacrifice a roll of film to advance through the camera with the back open, counting the number of turns needed between frames to prevent over-lapping and minimize film waste.

Sirius Glass · Dec 18, 2016

frank said:
You could sacrifice a roll of film to advance through the camera with the back open, counting the number of turns needed between frames to prevent over-lapping and minimize film waste.

Or you could take the left over paper from a developed roll and approximate the same thing.

crumpet8 · Dec 18, 2016

darinwc said:
How do you "load it upside down"?

If you load the film on the wrong side, the winder will actually be rewinding the leader back onto the reel.
The only other way to do it wrong is to load it inside out. So the film is facing backwards and the backing is toward the lens.

Either way, you are not going to get an image and you may be ruining the film.

Thanks for the input everyone shot some new portra 160 and had numbers, but still having a small mechanical issue with the winding not releasing the shutter mechanism to be able to fire sometimes. Good news is I can bypass that.

darinwc, I meant I was holding the film to be loaded from left to right and then rotated the film 180 degrees so it would load right to left.

crumpet8 · Dec 18, 2016

Due to all the fooling around I only got about 6 shots from that roll, many of which became double exposures, but it suited my project fine so was happy.

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