This is getting fetishistic. If one sees it as square why not make it square when printing? Should one carry an Xacto knife and a few sheets of Garolite in case one doesn't have the right size darkrslide opening?...
This is an issue that will never be settled as both sides seem to find the other viewpoint loopy.
Yeah, I guess I already knew the answer before I asked the question ... I mean I know some people love it, some hate it, I was just hoping for a more constructive conversation with those who do print this way, the reasoning behind it, etc.... not a protracted "crop vs non" debate which has been gone over forever and into history. Alas, internet forums!
The only thing I find loopy is the idea that there is only one way for people to properly approach printing ....
... Alas, internet forums!
You have never been in a face-to-face conversation that moves in, out and around the original point of conversation?
Maybe 5stringdeath hasn't been married.
i always print full frame with a black border.
How can you be so sure?
I agree with the laziness-thingy Nicholas mentioned.
The potential for growth very often is nothing more than a spin, turning something like "set in his/her ways" (i.e. "can't be bothered to do something else, or to do the same thing differently", i.e. being lazy) into something positive.
But yes, there is room for interpretation.
If you consider Weston to be succesfull in filling a given frame the way he wanted to, who would be able to argue with that?
But if you don't put the man first, look at his images instead, i see a lot of potential for growth.
The "non-lazy alternative" to cropping for Weston and for many of us here, was/is re-shooting.
But that's the ultimate in cropping, isn't it?
I think most people would agree that composition is different than cropping.
...Full frame printing can be very satisfying but, if done religiously, some prints will never be as powerful as they could be. That is inevitable.
Ian
It is not inevitable, mate, if one does not print the images that are not the most powerful.
Good point Vaughn
In that case, some potentially powerful prints that could easily have been made will never be made. Either way, seems a bit of a loss. But if you can live with it, so can I!
But that's the ultimate in cropping, isn't it?
Cropping in the enlarger changes the look of a print; forget composition for a moment, detail, grain, and sharpness all visually change.
What? A thread that spiraled on APUG? I'm SHOCKED! SHOCKED, I tell you!I love how this thread has spiraled, haha. My original question was basically about using the black box or a smooth edge, it really was quite that simple.
Anyhow its been interesting.
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