Yeah, I was going to say that. Perhaps legally speaking it would have been OK if the weddings took place in public space, although even that is doubtful in today's legal climate. Ethically speaking, I'd consider this really, really iffy and I think if this was attempted today, the odds of getting punched in the face would be pretty big.Was it ethical? By today’s standards, probably not.
There's that, too. I'm happy for you that you were successful and I hope your work has been to your and your clients' satisfaction. Thanks for sharing your story!Sometimes the path in is… unconventional
Was it ethical?
Yeah, I was going to say that. Perhaps legally speaking it would have been OK if the weddings took place in public space, although even that is doubtful in today's legal climate. Ethically speaking, I'd consider this really, really iffy and I think if this was attempted today, the odds of getting punched in the face would be pretty big.
There's that, too. I'm happy for you that you were successful and I hope your work has been to your and your clients' satisfaction. Thanks for sharing your story!
If you were offering the photos you took to the wedding party for sale (or even for free), it was not ethical in a professional sense. You were being a leech. But in terms of a broader view, you weren't doing anything particularly immoral. That the people in the wedding may not like you taking photos doesn't make it immoral. The backhoe operator, on the other hand, was, since he was endangering other people by being incompetent while pretending he was fully trained.
Was it ethical?
By today’s standards, probably not.
Back in 1984 I assisted at my first wedding with a local professional. He knew that I would branch out later on my own, as I told him and besides it was common at the time.
However if any one tried to duplicate his shot , he would go berserk. Such outbursts didn't do him any favours with the bridal couple. At that time the professional photographer called all the shots and the bridal couple did it his way only. Personally I thought it was too strict a set up and didn't allow for any spontaneity.
When it came to my time to set myself up, I had a chat with the bride and she recommended me to a few of her friends. I was lucky and quickly built up a portfolio.
In the 35 years since I always encouraged guests to take photos along side me. It became a unique selling point and great word of mouth credibility.
I usually take the hard line as far as ethics are concerned, so, to my great surprise, I'm going to say you're in the clear, as long as you stuck to public places and if you did the photos in order to build a portfolio and not with the intent of selling them.
A wedding is an interesting example because, in many ways, once the actual, private, ceremony is done, it becomes a very public event. I can't see how you can have any expectation of privacy if you're going to drive out in a white luxury Limousine with flowers on its top, "Love Forever" banners on its side and tin cans attached to its rear, with a following motorcade that doesn't stop honking for the next 15 miles.
I don't think it's today's standards as much as today's technology. Fifty years ago, a portfolio was exactly what the word said it was: a folio you carried, an actual object you'd only show to prospective clients.
Today, your portfolio is on your website and on Instagram, for the world to see, including the bride, groom and wedding party, as well as the photographer who was actually paid to do the work (wait to see the comments he or she will leave on your Insta posts !). If this were the case, I would have a bit more problems giving you the thumbs up, ethics-wise.
If you were offering the photos you took to the wedding party for sale (or even for free), it was not ethical in a professional sense. You were being a leech. But in terms of a broader view, you weren't doing anything particularly immoral. That the people in the wedding may not like you taking photos doesn't make it immoral. The backhoe operator, on the other hand, was, since he was endangering other people by being incompetent while pretending he was fully trained.
Matt's story reminded me of a slightly different angle. A relative of mine got married without a ceremony, in the NYC borough of Queens at the Queens County Courthouse. Quite a few couples were getting married similarly. Only a few witnesses could go in with the couple, so some of us were waiting outside at a sort of walkway / lawn. So I got to watch an enterprising photographer at work, set up on the lawn. He had a white archway as a prop - he may have also had some balloons or flowers - and could take a series of photos of a couple under his archway with the grassy backdrop. I don't recall if he was using instant film, or digital with the promise of prints later. But the whole setup was both opportunistic and delightful. Many of the couples surely were getting married at the courthouse because their circumstances or finances didn't allow for throwing a big party, but they were dressed up nevertheless, and why shouldn't they also get to have a formal portrait on the occasion?
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the technology of the time made a huge difference. A portfolio back then was a leather folio shown to one or two prospective clients, not something broadcast to the world.
My intent was exactly as you describe: to learn the craft and build enough of a portfolio to get legitimate work, not to poach or undercut anyone.
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