How Cold Is Too Cold Outdoors To Re-Wind Film?

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Shouldn't you wait till your camera gets to room temperature when re-winding film after shooting outdoors in sub-zero?
Is it damaging to the film if you don't wait, say if you want to re-load with another roll - if of course you can manage to move your numb fingers....??
 

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I've been in -30ºC and even changed a film, just don't wind on fast and keep your back.to the wind

My late father in-law was on the Russian front during WWII, he was a photographer and during at least one winter they were winding film on very slowly in -40ºC.

As for coming inside, you can put your camera inside a sealed plastic bag immediately prior to bringing it inside. Wait until it warms up and all of the condensation is gone from the plastic bag before getting into it.
 

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To sum up theorethical issues related to low temperature:

-) brittleness of base or emulsion
-) stiffness of base
-) static discharge

-) condensation at returning to warm environmen (hardly applying to films in cameras)
 

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Yes, go slow

some films snap way more easily thsn others. Delta 100 wasn’t tolerant of the cold when I used it.
 

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No problems to report. Have used Delta 100 in winter too, easily -20°C that got reversed - a very straining processing for emulsion. All fine. Both - today and in years past.

Leaving camera in bag and leaving said bag in a colder room is all the measures I remember to take when stepping inside. Again - my reckless behavior has no problems to report.
 
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Well, it's 34 degrees on the Chicago lakefront today - 20 degrees warmer than yesterday, so I won't worry.
 

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With me, I would be more concerned with my dexterity than the robust nature of the film.
 

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Rewind slowly. Keep your back to the wind or be in a wind protected place.
 

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What has the wind, and protection from it, to do with rewinding?
 

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What has the wind, and protection from it, to do with rewinding?

Wind causes air friction which builds up static charge. Also do not spit or pee into the wind.
 

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Well, how fast air must stream, to build any charge at a camera? Not even considering the kind of camera-body material.

I assume all static marks at film inside a camera originating from friction between film and body, or film and itself.
 

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Well, how fast air must stream, to build any charge at a camera? Not even considering the kind of camera-body material.

I assume all static marks at film inside a camera originating from friction between film and body, or film and itself.

The static discharge comes from the air and can deposit on the film and the body and from fast separation from other film layers [think pulling out a roll of tape quickly from a dispenser].
 

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Well, my nephew did climbing expeditions into the high Arctic, Patagonia, the Karakoram, and Himalayas, often months at a time in below zero conditions, and the question of film rewind or even camera winterization never even came up. No shots lost. And I've known my share of famous high altitude mountaineers who funded their expeditions largely by pictures (helps to have some sponsor's gear logo somewhere "accidentally" in the frame, on a jacket, tent, or ice axe etc); And they didn't even discuss that kind of issue. Staying alive was the greater priority.

But there was a general consensus about camera gear. Don't go motor-wind. And the less electronics and more manual a camera is, the better. Batteries can get cold and useless. Too many bells n' whistles is just asking for trouble. If you can go the film route rather than digital, do. It's more reliable in extreme conditions.

I've photographed in the mountains myself innumerable times, but never under those extreme conditions. But a blizzard even at 12,000 feet can be cold enough, and I can hardly count how many of those I've been in too. For most of my adult life, I shot large format sheet film, which is a somewhat different ballgame, but will still get the skin of your fingers stuck to anything metal if ungloved in low temps. One eventually learns the necessary tricks; often the hard way, however.
 

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In 60+ years years it has only happened once. Never when skiing.
 

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Precautions given by others above work to around -60F (-45C). When it was colder than that, I stayed indoors.
 

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I stay in at -40F or -40C since both are the same a pretty damned cold.
 

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Neved had an issue. Photographed (and changed&rewound film) in -25°C.
 

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High humidity tropical conditions are a far more common problem, potentially swelling 120 roll film and making it hard to advance correctly in certain cameras or holders. But I'm not a hot swamp with leeches and yellow-fever mosquitos type explorer anyway. And if piranha get to you, the film won't get developed anyway.
 

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I shot with a Pentax K1000 and HP5 in -35. -40 with the windchill. Kept camera inside my coat. Pulled it out to shoot. Put it back in. I suffered more than my film, let me tell you! That was on Saskatchewan. Once in Japan, up on Mt. Also, it was -15 with the windchill. The Fuji Neopan 400 I was shooting in my RB snapped in half. Seriously, I felt colder them I did in -40 Saskatchewan. It's colder but it's a dry cold! Wet colds are worse, in my opinion.
 

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The camera I equipped my nephew with for all his extreme expedition needs was just a simple little Pentax MX. Something even more basic like an old Spotmatic might have been even better; but the MX is nice and petite, and that can be important. Accidentally having a bulky camera get between you and a precarious handhold is not the kind of memorable experience one wants.
 
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