BradS said:So, what's the down side? It seems to me to be a "best kept secret". Am I missing something?
roteague said:Yes, you can't develop Fuji Velvia very well in it
roteague said:Yes, you can't develop Fuji Velvia very well in it
BradS said:Assuming that Sodium Sulfite can be had for around $1.50 a pound and Metol for $36 per pound, a liter of fresh D-23 costs about a dollar. The stuff is cheap enough to use the straight solution as a one shot.
Joe Lipka said:Used it for years as a two bath type developer. Upside - inexpensive. Downside - you actually have to weigh it out. Unless you figure out how to get from grams to teaspoons. I'm sure someone has that somewhere.
Wigwam Jones said:If it it that you like D-23, then great. If it is that you're looking for low cost...
http://unblinkingeye.com/Articles/Developers/Cost/cost.html
I hear this theory a lot, but it is also possible that the metol is much like a catalyst that makes the hydroquinone work. We are pretty sure that is the way phenidone and Q work together. Cutting out the Q from a PQ developer leaves you with practically no developer. Since hydroquinone is usually about half the price of metol by weight, it might be worth a try to cut the metol to 1 gram and increase the Q to 10. I think I will go try it in my dungeon.Gerald Koch said:If you will be using D-23 as a one shot you might be interested in a similar developer D-76H since it is a bit more economical as it uses a third as much Metol. The formula is the same as for D-76 but without the hydroquinone. BTW, the purpose of the hydroquinone is to regenerate the Metol in a replenished system. For a one shot developer it's not needed.
Distilled water (50°C) ................................. 750 ml
Metol ...................................................... 2.5 g
Sodium sulfite (anhy) ................................. 100 g
Borax ...................................................... 2.0 g
Distilled water to make ............................... 1.0 l
Twenty Mule Team Borax is fine to use, it is found in most supermarkets in the detergent isle. As a plus development times are the same as for D-76 in all dilutions. It's sometime hard to find times for certain films in D-23.
I hear this theory a lot, but it is also possible that the metol is much like a catalyst that makes the hydroquinone work. We are pretty sure that is the way phenidone and Q work together.
Nick Zentena said:I have no problem getting normal contrast with D-23 at 1:3. It just takes longer times. I get the impression that people aren't developing long enough with diluted D-23 and then claiming low contrast.
I am not confused. Before I made any such weird assertion, I looked up the definition of catalytic agent in the CRC Handbook:Gerald Koch said:The concepts of a catalysis and super-additivity are being scrambled here.
I'm not going to go into a discussion here of each concept as they can be found in any good photochemistry book. However I will point out the following. Look at the composition of a typical MQ developer such as D-76 and its replenisher. If Metol were merely a catalyst the amount of Metol in the replenisher would be very small. Remember if it were a catalyst it should not be used up. What we find is that they are in the same ratio in the replenisher as in the developer. It is obvious that they are both contributing to development and BOTH being used up (not catalyst behavior). The same thing is found for a PQ developer but it is a little less obvious since Phenidone is more easily (and more efficiently) regenerated by hydroquinone than is Metol. The small amount of Phenidone in relation to hydroquinone may give the semblance of catalysis but that is NOT the case.
gainer said:...how could we tell by appearances that the action
of metol or phenidone on the reduction of silver halide
by hydroquinone is not catalytic?
Hydroquinone alone at high enough pH is a very active
developer. Why is it so unlikely that the catalytic action of
metallic silver particles produced by the metol or phenidone,
which are able to act at low pH, could stimulate the
activity of the hydroquinone as does high pH
or high temperature?
ZorkiKat said:Never lost emulsion speed in D23 when I used it. Time is indeed the factor here. Metol is slow acting. Isn't metol responsible for 'speed' whilst hydroquinone is for density in the superadditive setup?
Jay
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