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I've never taken a class and I've only read a lot of a book, but that was years ago

what I want to know more about is taking color photos at night
indoor and outdoor
I want to take photos of what I see, not something that is all flashed up

I don't have a tripod, but I think I need one? But how do those guys take those pics at rock shows for magazines?

I have a Canon EOS that's probably ten or so years old, I actually forget
 
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Big subject - hard to know where to start! Do you already have a camera? If so, what kind? Hopefully it is capable of being attached to a tripod and accepting a remote release of some kind. If you are going to make long exposures at night and have a camera with an electronic shutter (needs batteries for the shutter to work), you will get through a lot of batteries. On the other hand, cameras with automatic exposure can handle long exposures quite well - you will need to correct long exposure times (make them even longer) because of an effect called reciprocity law failure. Color film exposed for a very long time will give strange colors (due to a phenomenon known as "crossed curves"), but these colors may be pleasing. The main thing to do is put your camera on a tripod (or other firm support) and try some test shots!

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oh, I added some camera info before I saw your post
thanks for replying
 

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For night photography look up Andrew Sanderson's 'Night Photography'. A very helpful book which will teach you the basics you need to know to get good results at night. It certainly helped me, although I have only used bw at night.



Ps. I think JD Callow uses colour at night and would know a lot more about that side of things.
 

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Whether you need a tripod or not depends a lot on what kind of pictures you want to take. I take a lot of colour pictures at night and hardly ever use a tripod. If you follow the link below and then under 'My Portfolios' look at 'Ektachrome 320T EPJ', 'Ektachrome P1600 EPH' and 'Newcastle-upon-Tyne' you will see colour pictures taken in low light conditions without flash or tripod. Are they the kind of pictures you are interested in?

Best,
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Greetings. Along with the suggestions already given I would add giving some thought to the type of film you plan on using for your night shots. Most of the color film readily available on the consumer market will be "daylight" rated film. That is to say color film formulated for use with light of a specific kelvin rating (I think its 5600k). At any rate when you use daylight film under tungsten light you will get a color shift toward the red/orange end of the scale. It is not an effect I find pleasing though some like it. This can be remedied in at least two ways.

1. Find a pro shop and buy film specifically rated for tungsten light. This is not a great fix for your situation as these films are rated for specific tungsten light sources which may or may not match the actual kelvin rating of the lights to be found on the street or indoors at night. Most likely not and if not a good match you will still get color shift.

2. Buy some 80 series filters and use them with your daylight rated color film. This is the easiest way to correct the color shift and I have had good results using an 80A and 80B series filter with my Ektachrome night shots. I estimated a two stop loss when using either one and got what I consider good exposures. A tripod and shutter release cable are in order for such exposures. I have a few night shots in my gallery using these filters.

Good luck and enjoy!
 

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I dont like color for night shots, not a nice mood about the photo. get you7r own darkroom, if you dont alrready have one, and try ilford delta 3200 in d76
 
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Welcome gr8fuldodd,

Other than camera gear, fast film can make this much easier. Unfortunately, some fast colour film choices are not as simple. There are a few choices in transparency films, a few more in colour negative, or the option of push processing. Without knowing your processing or lab access to push processing, it is a little tougher to make recommendations. I find that in several larger cities I go to in the US that getting E-6 films push processed is often easier than finding some places willing to push process C-41 films. However, if you find a place that will push process C-41, I can suggest Kodak Portra 800, which is good out to ISO 3200 in push processing.

My tendency is to use more transparency films for push processing. I use to shoot tons of Ektachrome P1600, until the prices went up and it became tougher to find this film. I have also used Fujichrome MS 100/1000, which has unfortunately been discontinued. I briefly tried Kodak Ektachrome 320T (Tungsten) at two and three stops push (and with some extra exposure as compensation), though found the results similar to P1600 (grain levels). That led me to do lots of experiments push processing Kodak E200 to extreme levels, currently used at 4 2/3 stops (and with exposure compensation, since E200 does not push in a linear manner).

An interesting thing about E200 is that beyond three stops push it experiences a blue shift in colour response. While that might sound bad, what it means is that an 80A filter can be too strong, though an 82B or weaker 82A can be just right. This film also tends to retain a relatively smooth grain at extreme push settings, unless you underexpose.

With camera gear, the choices would usually dictate faster lenses to keep the shutter speeds from getting too slow, at least if you want to do hand held imaging. If you are using an SLR, the faster lenses (f1.4, f2.0 in 35mm, or f2.0 or f2.8 in medium format) can make it easier to focus and view your subjects and scenes. Using a rangefinder is actually easier in many cases, since the better viewfinders tend to be easier to focus and compose through than using an SLR (depends upon camera). Using autofocus can be tougher, since some systems struggle with low light, while others need to throw a pattern of light (often reddish) onto your subjects to focus.

Other than using fast lenses, you can also just try wider lenses. The advantage is scale focusing, since you can guesstimate the distances. It is tougher and often more expensive to find faster wide angle lenses, so the slower lenses might mean slower shutter speeds.

Camera holding techniques can also make things easier. I tend to shoot more vertical images, so I have a hand hold technique that presses part of the camera into my forehead to steady it. It also helps to be very relaxes, breath carefully, and sometimes to avoid any caffeine prior to doing lots of shooting. Slowing things down and timing your shots can make things easier. After lots of practice, I can get good results as slow as 1/4 and 1/8 second with a 50mm f1.4 on a 35mm SLR; though I recommend trying to start with 1/30 second as a slowest hand held shutter speed. Best of luck.

Ciao!

Gordon
 

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Marko, is there something you personally loathe about color photography? It's been at least three threads in the color sections where people ask questions about color and you tell them that it's not good for you therefore they should consider B&W.

Can you see the flaw in your logic? It's getting annoying.
 

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mhv said:
Marko, is there something you personally loathe about color photography? It's been at least three threads in the color sections where people ask questions about color and you tell them that it's not good for you therefore they should consider B&W.

Can you see the flaw in your logic? It's getting annoying.
I just love B&W! go hp5 and kodacrome
BTW, this isnt the color forum
 

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This is the Introductions forum--so no restrictions regarding color or B&W here.

Welcome to APUG, gr8fuldodd!
 

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Congratulations on wanting to learn photography, and since you are at this site, presumably film photography (which many here would consider an unnecessary modifier!) It seems to me like jumping right in to night photography is a little too far too fast. Consider getting a basic photography book like London and Upton's "Photography," and work your way up from the beginning to learn camera operation, aperture/shutter speed/film speed relationships, depth of field, etc. etc. etc., shooting plenty of film and critiquing your results to identify and overcome problems. Once you can make a good image in daylight, then start experimenting with low light or night photography. Good luck and good shooting!
 
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