HFR is coming to town

Steve Smith · Dec 31, 2013

irvd2x said:
ok..I finally have reached the limit of my patience with this pet peeve.I'm going to write a grammer ticket.
Folks...I will say this once for all to the otherwise extremely articulate members of this wonderful forum...If FEWER people would say"less people",I would be LESS frustrated.(or do you say FEWER frustrated?hmmm?)

You beat me to it. But surely, you mean grammar, not grammer?!!

An example of Muphry's Law: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry's_law

Muphry's law is an adage that states that "If you write anything criticising editing or proofreading, there will be a fault of some kind in what you have written." The name is a deliberate misspelling of Murphy's law.

Steve.

MDR · Dec 31, 2013

ZDF at least one good thing they do, the real problem is the TV things made before modern Video the first TV Broadcast in Germany started in 1929 and I am not sure if any recording of this time still exist. Would love to see some though.

Arctic amateur · Dec 31, 2013

Barry S said:
I wish this crap would just go away--high frame rates look terrible for movies.

Am I the only one who thinks the motion-stutter at 24 fps looks terrible? It's particularly visible when the shot is panning.

MDR · Dec 31, 2013

If you see obvious motion stutter during a 24fps pan than there is something wrong with the camera/dolly etc.. operator.

ic-racer · Dec 31, 2013

Chris Lange said:
I can't stand the look of 30fps+ in cinematic applications. In other media, such as video games or television, it's fine, but there's something about the look of a movie playing at 30+fps that is extremely offputting to me...it almost imparts a low-budget look in my opinion.

Wife got the STAR WARS CDs for the kids. I couldn't stand to watch the CDs because something is wrong; I suspect it is the 30 fps frame rate and sharpening that make the set look cheap set and give an amateur look to the live action stunts and effects. Looked like watching a video feed from the panavision camera or watching the movie on closed circuit TV. I then pulled up a YouTube feed of the original STAR WARS trailer and even the kids were amazed at how much better it looked.

Chris Lange · Dec 31, 2013

It may not be the discs...

Many new HDTVs attempt to tween frames on 24fps material. I find it imperative to have this turned off.

Truzi · Dec 31, 2013

AgX said:
Germany's largest public TV Station had started to digitise all their video archive. That may include advanced physical restoring means.

It would be nice if they archived to film. However, if the originals are on magnetic tape ("video" archive), then digital is a step up in some ways (so long as they run the expensive hamster wheel of backups and upgrades). Magnetic tapes "fade."

Arctic amateur said:
Am I the only one who thinks the motion-stutter at 24 fps looks terrible? It's particularly visible when the shot is panning.

Could be the TV settings. I've never seen problems like that with analog movies at the theatre - there is an whole persistence of vision thing that has something to do with frame-rates; so stutter is likely not the frame-rate itself. I believe TVs use 29 or 30 fps (regardless of what the original used) - at least in the States (NTSC).

On the other hand, I've seen problems on DVDs of old movies. During the opening scene of It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World, my friends were enjoying it while I instead noticed all the combing and pixelation.
I picked up an old broken Laserdisc player hoping to play with the laser. It was 2nd generation and had a solid state laser - so I fixed it instead and got some old discs. I was very surprized with the ocean scenes in Hunt for Red October - absolutely flawless, no artifacts at all. Then again, Laserdiscs were analogue (FM modulation, I believe).

ic-racer · Dec 31, 2013

Truzi said:
It would be nice if they archived to film. However, if the originals are on magnetic tape ("video" archive), then digital is a step up in some ways (so long as they run the expensive hamster wheel of backups and upgrades). Magnetic tapes "fade."

Could be the TV settings. I've never seen problems like that with analog movies at the theatre - there is an whole persistence of vision thing that has something to do with frame-rates; so stutter is likely not the frame-rate itself. I believe TVs use 29 or 30 fps (regardless of what the original used) - at least in the States (NTSC).

On the other hand, I've seen problems on DVDs of old movies. During the opening scene of It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World, my friends were enjoying it while I instead noticed all the combing and pixelation.
I picked up an old broken Laserdisc player hoping to play with the laser. It was 2nd generation and had a solid state laser - so I fixed it instead and got some old discs. I was very surprized with the ocean scenes in Hunt for Red October - absolutely flawless, no artifacts at all. Then again, Laserdiscs were analogue (FM modulation, I believe).

My 'Viewing Impression' on those STAR WARS disks is as if that they did a digital interpolation to create new frames to fill in the gaps from 24 fps to 30, since they likely digitized the whole thing anyway for the speical added digital effects that are in almost every scene. This is distinctly different from a conventional frame rate conversion where the same film frame is shown more than once to make up the extra frames. I should be able to check this by stepping through the frames looking for duplicates.

MDR · Dec 31, 2013

The old Star Wars were completely digitally remastered and the look slightly changed to better match the new Star Wars. Lucas even added and removed some elements. For more informations see http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_changes_in_Star_Wars_re-releases.

eclarke · Dec 31, 2013

So, does how the movie is filmed supercede the content? Is how it looks more important than what it is? And, it's fiction..who cares?

MDR · Dec 31, 2013

Yes it does matter film looks different than digital even on the big screen.

Truzi · Dec 31, 2013

It does seem that how a film is shot and looks is more important than it's content anymore. That's why I've been to about three movies in seven years (not including the Cleveland Cinematheque).
I don't want to even get started with what Lucas has done to his own legacy.

cliveh · Dec 31, 2013

If you have ever watched an Andrey Tarkovsky film and read about how he sometimes slows things down (just slightly) you may appreciate the power of this film rate in higher regard.

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