Here we go again: Fujifilm price hikes and film cuts

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Well, according to JCH, it appears that Friday was a big day for Fuji, announcing price hikes of 20% that will go into effect this fall (October 2015), the loss of their remaining 220 films (PRO160NS, Velvia 50 and 100, Provia 100F), and, worst of all, the final nail in the coffin for Provia 400X (35mm and 120). For all the LF shooters out here, don't worry, you haven't been left out either: if you are still shooting 4x5 or 8x10 Velvia 100F, you'll just have to shoot the 100 version now. I know for those of you outside of Japan many of these films have been gone for some time, but they have definitely been available all the while here in Japan. I don't shoot a lot of chromes anymore, but it looks like I'll be stocking up on some Provia 400X while I still can.
 

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Pretty soon Ferrania will be the only one making slide film, and their kickstarter re-startup is mired in bad luck and Italian efficiency. We may be without slide film until 2020.
 

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220 films (end of 220 size?) & Provia 400X discontinuance & price rev. from Fuji

Well, the time has come.

This is for Japanese market, but some of the info may interest you.

See the link below:

http://www.nationalphoto.co.jp/1F/fuji_news_04.htm

http://ffis.fujifilm.co.jp/information/articlein_0040.html

I will briefly translate significant part (not all) in English:

--------Beginning of Brief Translation ---------

Date: July 10th, 2015

1) Discontinuance 1: Provia 400X, All size (i.e. 135 & 120), last estimated delivery to market is Dec 2015

2) Discontinuance 2: All 220 size films (i.e. PRO160NS, Provia 100F, Velvia 100 & Velvia 50 all in 220 size, all of these films are still be available in 120 size).
  I won’t write all of the last estimated delivery date for each 220 films but the last one is Velvia 100 (in 220 size) that is estimated March 2017.

3) Discontinuance of Velvia 100F sheet film (4x5, 8x10), last delivery estimated Mar 2017

4) Price revision (for most films, both commercial & Professional, including one time use camera, excluding INSTAX)
Average 20% increase in price (depending on the product), starting from Oct 2015 or later

The reason and explanation:
The world demand for film was at its peak in Year 2000, which was around 3 billion rolls, however from that the demand decreased about 20% per year.
Today the demand for film is less than 1% of that peak.
To tackle the situation, we have made an effort to streamline our production and cut cost as much as possible, but unfortunately need to revise price and discontinue some products.

------ END of Brief Translation ------

NOTE:
IIRC, Kodak has already discontinued 220 (if not please advice, well maybe some 220 Portra left in the market…) and also I don’t know any other manufacture that makes 220 now (if not please advice).

Fuji will discontinue all 220 size film and the last 220 film which will be expected to be delivered to market is in March 2017 (i.e Velvia 100).

Thus Year 2017 may be the “last year” for 220 film.

What I think:

Almost as estimated, in short.

The bad is Provia 400X is discontinued (I really like this film in 6x9 format but I understood that this film will be go anyway).

The good is that they still seem to preserve PRO160NS C41 film in 120/Sheet size.
Well, 6 months ago, I heard this film would be discontinued, but about 3 months ago I heard that discontinuance of this film is in “pending state”.
I normally prefer another manufacturer for Professional C41 film, but this C41 film from Fuji is OK.

So Fuji will still going to manufacture/sell the following Professional films (at least in the foreseeable future):

E6 ---> Provia 100F, Velvia 100, Velvia 50 ALL available in 135, 120 & Sheet size
C41 ---> PRO160NS (120 & Sheet), 400H (135 & 120)
B&W ---> ACROS (135, 120 & Sheet)

Also most other commercial films (135 size) including INSTAX will be available (note that Fuji recently expanded manufacturing facility for INSTAX film).

All of the above films, which will not be discontinued, will see price increase (expect INSTAX) approx 20% starting from Oct 2015 or later (no info about peel apart instant films).
This is FAR BETTER than recent sudden price hike of Kodak films occurred in Japan.

Not a bad lineup in my opinion in these days.

I think that E6 films will still be available in Japan (at least for a while) because some Japanese still seems to use E6 film even they mostly do not project them (have heard that in Germany some still project slide film but I don’t have any idea).
In Japan there seem to have a belief (esp. among advanced amateur photographers, they seems to use E6 often and seldom use C41) that E6 film has advantage over C41 in image quality (which I don’t agree).
I mostly use E6 films but not for image quality merit.

Regards,
jun
 
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Pretty soon Ferrania will be the only one making slide film, and their kickstarter re-startup is mired in bad luck and Italian efficiency. We may be without slide film until 2020.

Well I hope when and if they get started that they will eventually produce a 400 speed film (or higher!)
 

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Thank you for translating. I'm glad that Provia 100F and PRO 400H is still around. PRO160NS is also a fine film.
 

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Wow, I didn't know anyone made 220 any more. I will have to check to see if what I have takes 220. Thanks for the info.
 

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I'm amazed that Velvia 100f survived as long as it did.

220 has major production headaches - see Harman/ Simon Galley's comments on such matters.

I'm also puzzled as to why Fuji persist in not making a slower C41 pro film in all formats - surely it'd be a more sensible business decision than their current mishmash of pro & amateur ranges...

I also wonder if the increased demand for Instax has forced this trimming of the range in order to get more coater availability.

Regarding fast E6 stock, Ferrania have stated that relaunced 400 & 1000 speed stocks would likely be early follow-ons from the 100 speed - I must admit that those are a far more exciting prospect than Provia 400X ever was to me.
 
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...IIRC, Kodak has already discontinued 220 (if not please advice, well maybe some 220 Portra left in the market…
Yup, no more Kodak 220 manufacturing. In fact, just yesterday Kodak included a "before and after" image of its black and white backing paper


(scroll to the page's bottom) that shows it no longer feels a need to identify any medium format rolls as "120." The only medium format film it will manufacture from now on is 120.
 

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Already bought 100 rolls of 400X in anticipation of this… wonder how long 400 speed film will last in the freezer.


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Yup, no more Kodak 220 manufacturing. In fact, just yesterday Kodak included a "before and after" image of its black and white backing paper

(scroll to the page's bottom) that shows it no longer feels a need to identify any medium format rolls as "120." The only medium format film it will manufacture from now on is 120.

Sal:

Do you have a source for the 220 info? The Website still refers to 220 being available - in fact specifically lists it as an advantage.

Black and White has not, of course, been available in 220 for some time, so the revision to the backing paper makes sense.

In fact, the removal of the 120 and 220 numbers from the backing paper may make it easier for them to use the same paper for both.
 

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I'll plead for mercy due to being unwell today. The only source is a (faulty?) recollection of other posts saying so. I'm usually more rigorous than that. Sorry.

Pleading granted:D
 

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Well I hope when and if they get started that they will eventually produce a 400 speed film (or higher!)

Given Kodak and Fuji's 'plans' they would be able to get more crowd funding but a 400 ISO may be a while in gestation.
I used to draw Gannt charts but management never liked the positions of the little triangles...
 

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Regarding fast E6 stock, Ferrania have stated that relaunced 400 & 1000 speed stocks would likely be early follow-ons from the 100 speed - I must admit that those are a far more exciting prospect than Provia 400X ever was to me.

I would love to see Ferrania do the 400 and 800/3200P. At the moment, though, they seem to be having a hard time getting the factory ready for production. But they know what they're doing, and they're keeping us in the loop, so it's not all gloom and doom for us E-6 shooters.
 

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That film is made from stock and we do not know how big that stock is.
 
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Given Kodak and Fuji's 'plans' they would be able to get more crowd funding but a 400 ISO may be a while in gestation.
I used to draw Gannt charts but management never liked the positions of the little triangles...

Didn't Ferrania made a high speed slide film in the past?
They have the recipe, but it is for the "Big Boy" coater.
And there might be some ingredients unavailable.
 
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Pretty soon Ferrania will be the only one making slide film, and their kickstarter re-startup is mired in bad luck and Italian efficiency. We may be without slide film until 2020.

That is not knowing the facts.
Delays were actually caused by external factors not on their control and the demolition team (for the old Ferrania buildings) being actually very efficient.
Your country isn't exactly swimming in efficiency.
Didn't Detroit went to bankruptcy? And Kodak?
I wonder where is the efficiency there.
 

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Didn't Ferrania made a high speed slide film in the past?
They have the recipe, but it is for the "Big Boy" coater.
And there might be some ingredients unavailable.

Yes sure they did as late as 2005.
But they picked the 100 cause it was lowest risk.
Materials may have been contrabanded...
My crystal ball has a crack.
 

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That is not knowing the facts.
Delays were actually caused by external factors not on their control and the demolition team (for the old Ferrania buildings) being actually very efficient.
Your country isn't exactly swimming in efficiency.
Didn't Detroit went to bankruptcy? And Kodak?
I wonder where is the efficiency there.

Your point is very well made Ricardo Miranda.

Those who live in glass houses...

:D
 
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Yes sure they did as late as 2005.
But they picked the 100 cause it was lowest risk.
Materials may have been contrabanded...
My crystal ball has a crack.

Noel
They picked up the 100 because it was the newest recipe that had being reformulated.
Or so was my understanding.
Might also be due to materials available.
 

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Yes, but I do have a recollection that their next moves would be ISO 400 E-6 and possibly the 800/3200P. According to Dave, Nicola et al are fans of tungsten-balanced films too; There was some talk from E-6 shooters (I was one of them) of asking them to introduce a 640T emulsion instead of a 400D, as a 400D shot through an 80A color correction filter results in a 2-stop loss, making the effective speed EI100, whereas a 640T emulsion with no filter is really 640T, and shot through the proper color correction filter for daylight only drops the EI to 400.

If I can't have a 640T emulsion, 400D or 800/3200P daylight balanced is certainly okay with me.

Yet another APUG thread gone off-topic :D This thread was about Fuji, I swear!
 
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