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I've never tried shooting with a quality mechanical SLR and I was hoping someone who knows SLRs can point out a few cameras I should looks at. I'm somewhat familiar with the various models, I just don't know which ones are the "Leica" equivalents (build quality and optical quality).

I'm looking for the following features:
mechanical with built in meter
meter needle in finder
50mm f1.2 lens available for less than $1000
large, clear finder
high build quality

Off the top of my head I am thinking of a Nikon F Photomic with a 50mm f1.2, but I am wondering if there are better options.

Thanks.
 
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I use a Pentax K-1000 as my 35mm film camera. I think it's a good little camera. However, I'm not sure if there's a F/1.2 50mm lens for it because large apertures have never been a big concern for me. I'm sure others will chime in with "better" opinions. Good luck on your search :smile:
 
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The Nikon F2s Photomic is a sublime piece of machinery. Pair it with a Nikkor S 55/1.2 and be happy for the rest of your life.
 

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Pentax LX and 50mm f1.2 lense. A match made in heaven

Have a look at the Pentax LX.

All exposure info shows in viewfinder, which is excellent; the meter range is -6.5 EV to somewhere around + 20, off the film metering for flash and film exposure, mechanical shutter speeds above 1/75 sec. interchangeable backs, finders, screens; winder and 5 fps motor available, blah, blah, blah!! I have 3 of them and the Pentax f1.2 50mm. The f1.2 is a fine lens, but realize that it is only a little faster than the MUCH cheaper f1.4. Prestige does cost! But the f1.2 is an impressive item. I bought mine along with my first LX, feeling that I wanted the BEST than Pentax could offer at that time. I've never regretted the decision. The LX is built like a tank, all metal, and excellent handling, but far smaller than the competition from Nikon and Canon. The body is weather sealed, although I wouldn't trust mine after all these years. The meter is immune to light coming through the viewfinder, and can do night exposures measuring in HOURS, since it reads light falling on the film.

You should be able to find a good LX and the f1.2 for well under $1000. A serviceable winder would add $50 or $60 to the total.

Be aware that any camera of this type, be it Pentax, Nikon, or Canon, may have seen heavy professional use, and may need a proper CLA, cleaning, lubrication, and adjustment, which may not come cheap. Best to budget $150 to $200 for such. PentaxForums.com will give you user reviews of the LX and the various fast 50s out there. If you go with Pentax, try to buy your 50 or other lenses with the "A" position just past the smallest f stop. They will integrate easily should you decide to go down the digital path, and give easy exposure setting at full aperture.
 

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Tons of great 35mm mechanical slr's, one often compared to Leica's for build quality is the Nikon F2, I believe it was the last regular production camera hand-built by Nikon. Nikon also still makes a manual focus 50 1.2 available new for about $500 or so.
 

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The original Canon F-1 as well as the updated F-1n. Extremely rugged, exceptional build-quality, and fitting within your $1,000 budget with the 55/1.2 lens.

Jim B.
 

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Off the top of my head I am thinking of a Nikon F Photomic with a 50mm f1.2, but I am wondering if there are better options.

Thanks.

The Nikon F2 which is an improvement over the Nikon F is an excellent well made camera plus there are 4 different metered heads and 1 non-metered head as well as a couple more.. The F is still an excellent choice..
 

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Unless you need interchangeable viewfinder, motor drive, focusing screens, I recommend a Konica T3, all mechanical, very good build quality, shutter speed preferred or manual exposure, full read out in viewfinder, flash syn 1/125th and the best 1.2 50mm I have ever used. The classic 1.7 57mm has been rated as one of the sharpest normal primes. Konica made very sharp lens, 1.2 are optimized for wide open, so you need a 1.7 or 1.8 as well. Downside is that mirror lock up is somewhat fiddly to use, need to use hearing aid batteries, no motor drive or winder. The T4 did have a winder but finding a working a T4 may take time.

The 1.2 will cost well under a grand, a basic lens set, 28 3.5 or 2.8, 135 3.5 and 200 4.0 are dirt cheap, some of the others like the 85 or very long lens can be hard to find and expensive.

The other is a Minolta 202 or 303, full view finder readout, match needle meter, good build quality, like Konica excellent lens. I have no experience with the Minolta 1.2.
 

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I personally prefer the Olympus OM system. But......
For availability and quality on the used market you just cannot beat Nikon. Plentiful and inexpensive compared to quality. I'd go with an F2, tough as nails and anything you want in a lens selection. If weight is a consideration then look for an FM2n or if you have the money the later FM3 Titanium.
 

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My vote is for a Nikon FM3a. Gives you everything you're looking for in a camera only ~10 years old. I think with the Nikon 50 f/1.2 you'll be within your budget.
 

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My vote is for a Nikon FM3a. Gives you everything you're looking for in a camera only ~10 years old. I think with the Nikon 50 f/1.2 you'll be within your budget.

This suggestion makes a lot of sense to me unless the OP really wants to shoot with an antique.
 

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I don't think there is a camera comparable to the Leica. The Leica is such a camera that you can either say it's better than other or worse than other but in noway you can say another camera is comparable.
 
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I don't think there is a camera comparable to the Leica. The Leica is such a camera that you can either say it's better than other or worse than other but in noway you can say another camera is comparable.

I own both a Leica M4 and a Nikon F2s. In terms of build quality and engineering, I consider them equal, but different. They are both the best of what they are.
 

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I own both a Leica M4 and a Nikon F2s. In terms of build quality and engineering, I consider them equal, but different. They are both the best of what they are.

I'm biased but a very common pairing with Leica M cameras is a OM-1n, they are compact, lightweight, fully mechanical and very well made. Quite honestly I've had less problems with my OM-1n cameras than with a M4-2 Leica. The reason I earlier recommended Nikon is the used lens and body selection, as I said, plentiful. Olympus OM-1 bodies are common but sourcing the early 55mm f1.2 or the later production 50mm f1.2 is going to be more difficult. That and although Olympus Zuiko's are fine lenses the Nikkors are I believe, more rugged.
 

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I've never tried shooting with a quality mechanical SLR and I was hoping someone who knows SLRs can point out a few cameras I should looks at. I'm somewhat familiar with the various models, I just don't know which ones are the "Leica" equivalents (build quality and optical quality).

How about a Leica SLR -> [url]http://www.apotelyt.com/photo-camera/leica-r[/URL]
Looking at sold listings, the prices seem to be in your price range.
 

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In addition to considering the fine SLR cameras made by Nikon, Canon, Pentax, Olympus, and Fuji, also consider the Contax SLR.
 

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I found it's odd that the OP wants an SLR that is equivalent of a Leica. When I bought my first camera I seriously considered the Leica M4 and the Nikon F2AS. I thought the Leica was an excellent camera and was beautiful. The craftsmanship was very high so it was significantly better than the Nikon when I compared the two. But I bought the Nikon because it's an SLR and I like an SLR better than a rangefinder. As for the Leica SLR there was the SL2 but it didn't have near the features of the Nikon (back then I was young and care more about features).
 

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I don't think there is a camera comparable to the Leica. The Leica is such a camera that you can either say it's better than other or worse than other but in noway you can say another camera is comparable.

Leica is a camera brand, not a camera (save for the original Leica rangefinder)

The rest is just a myth. For starters, I think Rollei had better build quality. And yes, you can compare. I do know of cameras that would compare favorably to a Leicaflex SL. For example the Nikon F2 and the Canon F-1.
 
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I appreciate all the responses and suggestions.

Yes I do want to shoot with an 'antique', there is something about an old, well built and engineered camera that is inspiring. I've owned several Leicas, and my current go-to camera for when I have time to shoot (almost never these days) is a Rolleiflex TLR. The Rollei is a great camera, just not an 'everyday' camera.

I figure an SLR with built-in meter, and a fast 50mm lens would be a fun camera to bring with me when I leave the house. But I still want that Leica/Rollei feeling when I hold it as half the fun for me is using the camera.
 

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Have a look at the Pentax LX.

All exposure info shows in viewfinder, which is excellent; the meter range is -6.5 EV to somewhere around + 20, off the film metering for flash and film exposure, mechanical shutter speeds above 1/75 sec. interchangeable backs, finders, screens; winder and 5 fps motor available, blah, blah, blah!! I have 3 of them and the Pentax f1.2 50mm. The f1.2 is a fine lens, but realize that it is only a little faster than the MUCH cheaper f1.4. Prestige does cost! But the f1.2 is an impressive item. I bought mine along with my first LX, feeling that I wanted the BEST than Pentax could offer at that time. I've never regretted the decision. The LX is built like a tank, all metal, and excellent handling, but far smaller than the competition from Nikon and Canon. The body is weather sealed, although I wouldn't trust mine after all these years. The meter is immune to light coming through the viewfinder, and can do night exposures measuring in HOURS, since it reads light falling on the film.

You should be able to find a good LX and the f1.2 for well under $1000. A serviceable winder would add $50 or $60 to the total.

Be aware that any camera of this type, be it Pentax, Nikon, or Canon, may have seen heavy professional use, and may need a proper CLA, cleaning, lubrication, and adjustment, which may not come cheap. Best to budget $150 to $200 for such. PentaxForums.com will give you user reviews of the LX and the various fast 50s out there. If you go with Pentax, try to buy your 50 or other lenses with the "A" position just past the smallest f stop. They will integrate easily should you decide to go down the digital path, and give easy exposure setting at full aperture.

Good suggestion, I support it.

Let's face it, the names in this game are three: Nikon, Canon and Pentax...to be more precise you can choose respectively a Nikon F with 55mm f1.2, a F2A or AS with 50mm f1.2, a Canon F-1 Old with a 55mm f1.2 or a 55mm f1.2 aspherical, a F-1N with the FDn 50mm f1.2 or the LX with K or A 50mm f1.2

A fourth alternative would be a Fujica X with the rare Porst/Fujinon 50mm f1.2 but they are to find and the only purely mechanical body is the STX-1 and 2, not in the league of the big bosses above.

Probably the best choice would be the Pentax because it's small, it has the best viewfinder of the bunch and supposedly the Pentax 50mm f1.2 is the best of the bunch notwithstanding the Canon asphericals who have a great reputation and a great price tag even if somebody doesn't like their bokeh.

I have most of this gear, the Big Three are all the best SLRs ever made, but the Nikon F2 has a pretty dim viewfinder in comparison to the Pentax and Canon, also it's 1:1 ratio but I feel the magnification is smaller.

I don't have a Nikkor 50mm or 55mm f1.2 but it appears they have a poor reputation wide open and significant distortion barrel. I DO have a Canon 55mm f1.2 and wide open it's loaded with coma to a level that its pictures looks like paintings (I like it and i consider it an "effect" lens), after 2.8 it's sharp. It's the biggest 50mm I've ever seen! The FDn 50mm 1.2 is much better, a little soft wide open but half the size of the 55mm and pretty sharp stepped down.

Sadly I don't have the Pentax f1.2 but it has an excellent reputation, it was the first to be introduced in 1975 (Pentax won the race to the SLR 50mm 1.2, Nikon arrived second in 1978 and Canon introduced its lens in 1980) with the K mount, the A is supposed to be sharper thanks to a better coating and it should have 9 blades instead of 8.

My best 1.2 is the Fujinon but I don't think you want to place that fabulous lens on a lousy camera like the STX, I use its full potential with a Ax-5

I found it's odd that the OP wants an SLR that is equivalent of a Leica. When I bought my first camera I seriously considered the Leica M4 and the Nikon F2AS. I thought the Leica was an excellent camera and was beautiful. The craftsmanship was very high so it was significantly better than the Nikon when I compared the two. But I bought the Nikon because it's an SLR and I like an SLR better than a rangefinder. As for the Leica SLR there was the SL2 but it didn't have near the features of the Nikon (back then I was young and care more about features).

The Leica equivalent is the SLR area is Pentax,they always made small and smooth cameras, Nikons and Canons always made big and chunky SLRs, but the SLR more similar to my M3 is a Spotmatic, while the LX is a sort of M7 equivalent. The MX is smaller than a M4, the K series are more brutalistic but not at the level of a Nikkormat.
 
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I figure an SLR with built-in meter, and a fast 50mm lens would be a fun camera to bring with me when I leave the house. But I still want that Leica/Rollei feeling when I hold it as half the fun for me is using the camera.

For me, best built 35mm SLR i owned or tried was the Canon F-1 original model, which I own. However it's not my preferred camera (which is the Canon F-1N). If you want high build quality and versatility, i'd suggest that one or the Nikon F2AS. Even better, if you don't care for a meter, go for a Nikon F with plain prism.

Honestly the options are overwhelming, so try to meet a camera collector so you can try diverse cameras, amd choose the one which feels best to you!
 
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Another important part is the lens, if you want f1.2, Canon was investing heavily in designing fast lenses since the early 1960s, the FL 55/1.2 and FD 55/1.2 are big but very good performers with lovely bokeh. I loved mine and used it a lot at f1.2 with good results, it has good resolution at that aperture in the center, but low contrast and soft extreme corners. And just as Cuthbert said, at f2.8 is seriously sharp.

The "55/1.2 aspherical" and 50/1.2L have been called the best f1.2 lenses ever made. The Canon 55/1.2 aspherical was rated above the Leica/Leitz offering by Leica specialist Erwin Puts. However, it is still expensive.
The 50/1.2 (New FD) should be good and compact.

In Nikon the 50/1.2 AI has excellent reputation. In Minolta there are some f1.2 options which have good reputation. As for Olympus, i had the 55/1.2 OM and i found it markedly inferior to my Canon 55/1.2. Lots of coma and coma flare wide open, embarrassing. Obviously this because the engineers built it smaller than it should (favoring compactness over performance.)

Pentax always had great lens reputation so i'm sure there should exist a great f1.2.

BUT if you choose a f1.4 lens, the choices widen up a lot, and all major manufacturers made good f1.4 lenses.

Cuthbert,

The 50/1.2 AI is supposed to be a major improvement over the 55.
 
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Pentax K1000.
 

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Pentax K1000.

Yup! The K1000 was designed to be cheap and functional. Nothing cheap about a Leica whether or not many of the features functional or not. Take the Leica MP rewind crank for example. The Leica meter attachment is another one. Oh yeah the visoflex adapter.
 
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