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Mahler_one

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I wonder if anyone has had the opportunity to use the Heiland Split Grade in either the fully automatic, or the manual mode. In a discussion of various timers here a month or so back the Heiland wasn't mentioned. The expense is certainly impressive, but the unit appears to make enlarging easier in so far as the conservation of materials and saving of time are concerned. Does the unit truly "do any more" then products offered by others? I realize that many here use no "automation" at all, and others use graded papers. Nevertheless, I am curious as to any experience gained with the Heiland.

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I haven't used one. But for what its worth, this is what I think.

Any system such as this has its pros and cons. Whether it's good, bad, or indifferent really depends on what you are using it for, and very importantly, the negatives you put through it.
For example, if you have an available light portrait in which the brightest highlight is actually the face, then the automatic calculation of contrast will be wrong. It is like an averaging meter in that it has to make assumptions because it doesn't know what tone any part of the image should be. It bases its assumptions on the subject actually having a true black and a true white which you meter with the probe. Read the downloadable manual which confirms this. The manual also has a section, "Adjustments in Special Cases", which tells you when its automatic calculations won't work (caveats).

Then realise that its predefined calculations are based on specific fresh paper and developer combinations at a specific temperature. Your set up is bound to vary from this so you will have to calibrate your own working methods which is not a problem but is not an out of the box solution.

Then consider that if you know what you are doing and have calibrated your neg develpment and know how to get accurate exposure, then all prints from a similar lighting situation will have similar print time and contrast. i.e. they will print similarly unless you are doing fine adjustments. There is no benefit in an averaging meter for fine control.

So personally I see no advantage in having a system like this except in the circumstance where you have a range of negatives under varying lighting conditions with dubious film exposure. In that case, the savings in time and paper would be much greater. So for example, if you were printing for many other people, then it would be a useful tool to get proof quality prints first or second time excepting the special cases which are many.

Again, for yourself with well calibrated procedures, the benefits are much less.

If you print regularly, then you will be able to judge correct exposure and contrast for an OK work print first time anyway. If you print only occasionally, then an automated system may save you some time and paper. But if you print only occasionally it will be a long time before it pays for itself in paper savings.

These automated systems give technically correct prints based on high and low values. That is very different from an aesthetically correct print which includes burning and dodging and placing tones where you want them. i.e. most times it won't give a perfect finished print first time.

Again, assuming your own exposure and dev of film is good, then once you have a good quality work print, which can be achieved first or second time, the savings achieved in taking that to a perfect finished print will be none assuming you know what you are doing.
 

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I am considering this device also and made a similar enquiry:

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

Interesting comments about the face being the brightest object...I will look over the manual.

Adjustments in special cases

Portraits

If there is a lack of black and white tones in the negative, you should first
change the measured grade to a softer grade. The amount of change
necessary can only be estimated. If necessary you should also change the
exposure time. The most important part to evaluate the correctness of the
exposure is the highlight skin tone.

White egg on white plate

In this case the contrast is very low and the measuring device is
compensating for this with a too hard grade and a too long exposure time.
Solve this problem by altering these values in the opposite direction.

Black dog on black coal

In this case the contrast is also very low. Like in the previous example, a
softer grade has to be selected, but the exposure time should be extended.
 
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There should be no reason why you couldn't calibrate one paper channel so that metering on a face highlight and a shadow value would give you correct contrast and time to print it with the tone correct for a face highlight.
But to do this you would have to go through the full calibration process so that you get even spacing of the contrast increments. I have no idea how easy or difficult that would be but I suspect it's not a quick or simple one. However, it would be a very worthwhile one for your purpose Gary.
 

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yes that is the section. As you see, its says you have to work it out for yourself. i.e. you are back to printing in the taditional manner. See my post above.
 
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Thanks for the well crafted and informative responses. Lots of useful information which is so helpful. What a great resource to have!

Yes, I do have carefully and well crafted film curves which yield negatives that usually print well on Grade 2 paper.

The problem holding the white of the skin is an interesting one. I noted the add on item below the Heiland split grade information....I believe this additional "meter" can help address such issues, but I need to read the manual.

As an aside....have you noted what 10 sheets of the new Kodak Tmax 400 8x10 costs...$49.50 at B&H, with the TMax 100 just a few bucks less. I can only imagine what our colleagues who shoot ULF film must be paying! An argument to stay with 4x5!!!

Gary...let me know what you decide to do. A quick trip to Cambridge for wine and a lab session would be nice. :} However, I wish there were an APUG member in the Southeast USA who has a Heiland, and who would be willing to share the experience using the meter.

Edwin
 
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I forgot to add that judging from the manual that can be downloaded, the relevant RH meter/timer has a way to fairly easily calibrate the meter for one's own darkroom. Furthermore, the Heiland has-I believe from reading the manual-already built in "information" for many film and developer combinations. Of course, these settings would probably just be a good starting point and further calibration would probably be useful based upon one's own unique darkroom conditions.
 
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