HCB must be turning in his grave

Flotsam · May 21, 2004

http://www.ny1.com/ny/TopStories/SubTopic/index.html?topicintid=1&subtopicintid=1&contentintid=39995

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What a world

OOps, try this

bmac · May 21, 2004

your links dont work. what is the title of the articles?

Flotsam · May 21, 2004

bmac said:
your links dont work. what is the title of the articles?

Sorry, I screwed up. They should work now.

David A. Goldfarb · May 21, 2004

Yes, this is about as absurd as banning photographs of bridges in the city, when you can go to a public library and look at books with detailed plans showing the structure of most of the bridges in the city, not to mention thousands of photographs of them.

Maybe I should go out now and get all my photographs of the subway system during the 45 day comment period so that I can sell them to the terrorists for high prices, if a ban is put in place.

Terrorists are probably going to start posting on photo.net asking what kind of film they should use for photographing in the subway, and specialists in architectural photography will recommend that they leave it to a professional.

Flotsam · May 21, 2004

David A. Goldfarb said:
Terrorists are probably going to start posting on photo.net asking what kind of film they should use for photographing in the subway, and specialists in architectural photography will recommend that they leave it to a professional.

Now that absolutely anyone can take all the surreptitious photos that they want of anything, anywhere, anytime, using nothing but their cell phones, I think that collaring photographers for snapping pictures in plain sight is just silly.

wdemere · May 21, 2004

Phtographer attacked by fire chief

Read this for another abhorrent incident:

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Someone just doing their job. Pretty soon that won't be allowed either.

Aggie · May 21, 2004

The Golden Gate Bridge was off limits to close photography after 911, but recently opened up again to it. As for the woman photographer that was taking pictures of victims, I think she was wrong. It reminds me of the press taking pictures of princess Diana after that accident. I know no one was killed and the injuries were minor, but they were children. You can take a picture of the assemblage around the victim while they are being treated, but you do not have to get in close and in the way of paramedics as they are working. Also if the parents wanted to NOT have their children photographed, I personally would have backed off. This brings up what is an acceptable photographic image to take at an accident/disaster. We are all struck by the images of the child running in VietNam after being burned by napalm. Or the child the firefighter in Oklahoma City was holding just before she died. Was the photographer in the way of recuse people in those pictures?

David R Munson · May 22, 2004

Welcome to fascist America. This kind of thing solves nothing and only digs us deeper and deeper into a big fat hole. Nothing like this can ever prevent a terrorist attack. I personally find it sickening to see more and more politicians and special interest groups use national security and terrorism as "justification" to hold up their own paranoid delusions and steadily diminish our rights.

bjorke · May 22, 2004

Out here the paperrs are also running the NYC-MTA story, and its early over-zealous enforcement:

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/templates/reg1cTest.jsp?url=/mld/mercurynews/news/world/8731010.htm

but apparently Bloomberg has come out against it already. Bad for the tourist business, most likely.

bjorke · May 22, 2004

Oh, and by the way: HCB doesn't have a grave.

Ed Sukach · May 22, 2004

So tell me ... The question stands, eternally. We are admonished to inspect our own conduct and mindsets by our National Anthem ...

"Oh, say does that Star-Spangled banner still wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?"

... And yes, that final question mark *IS* properly there.

--- Or are we "The land of the fearful - to the point where we lose track of reality, and purposely surrender our freedom - for the mistaken "gain of security" - because of that fear?"

We are being bullied, not only by the terrorists - but by our own government. Have we forgotten - the only hope that a bully has for success is that the victim allows their fear to overrule their intellect.

Who was it that said, "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."

That was true then - and it is even more so now.

David A. Goldfarb · May 22, 2004

Mayor Bloomberg came out against the ban.

Flotsam · May 22, 2004

bjorke said:
Oh, and by the way: HCB doesn't have a grave.

Well I don't anything about that, but if he had one.....

David A. Goldfarb · May 22, 2004

Yes, he's still alive, isn't he? I believe he devotes more time to drawing than to photography of late.

Flotsam · May 23, 2004

Ed Sukach said:
Who was it that said, "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."

That was true then - and it is even more so now.

FDR at his first inauguration:
"So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself -- nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance"

juan · May 23, 2004

Just paid a visit to my boyhood home of St. Simons Island, Georgia (US) which will host the G-8 conference in a couple of weeks. The military has set up some kind of strange looking radar installation at the local civilian airport - there are concrete barricades all around obviously in position to block the streets.

The local police held a meeting a couple of weeks ago to discuss where they will allow demonstrators to congregate and agitate. The officials happened to mention that they will stop and question anyone seen photographing anything that is not what a tourist would obviously be photographing.

The local Marxists, homeless advocates, International ANSWER representatives and the general local troublemakers immediately (and yes I mean that very night) went to Kmart and Walmart, bought cheap cameras, and went around taking photographs of everything in sight daring the authorities to arrest them.

So far, I'm not aware of anyone being arrested, and no one said a thing to me as I carried a Speed Graphic on a tripod this weekend.
juan

c6h6o3 · May 23, 2004

juan said:
So far, I'm not aware of anyone being arrested, and no one said a thing to me as I carried a Speed Graphic on a tripod this weekend.
juan

Be careful. America's descent into fascism is real, pervasive and beginning to accelerate. No photograph is worth a stint in jail or a beating, or both.

Within the last year I've been run off of both National Park property and the National Arboretum, which has an official, published policy allowing any and all photography for non-commercial use anywhere within the facility except where it would impede pedestrian traffic (such as in the bonsai pavilion). Rent-a-cops with guns are not impressed with such annoying trivialities as rules or laws. They see a large format camera and a tripod and the little switch in their brains get flipped to "commercial - not allowed without a permit".

jd callow · May 23, 2004

I have a friend from an eastern european country that finds Americans incredibly naive about the eas in which a country can become dictatorial.

One comment that boggled his mind was spoken by an administration official regarding the patriot act and went something to the effect "If you aren't doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about." This was the type of thing said in his country to appease moderates whilst those on the fringes were gathered up.

He is also somewhat astonished that a country this large, free and rich is so easily lead around by its nose.

doughowk · May 23, 2004

We take our freedoms for granted & we can't imagine becoming another banana republic. Yet the freedoms we value most are freedom from fear and freedom of consumption. We've become disinterested in politics at the very time when our future direction is being determined by a narrow-minded, anti-democratic group of right-wingers who are very capable of manipulating our fears for their benefit. Freedom to photograph in public places is only one of many freedoms we're willing to sacrifice as we head towards a fascist state.
"One Nation - Under Surveilance".

Aggie · May 23, 2004

Want to generate a migraine quickly? Spend the day reading about the origins of the political philosophies of the last 150 years. Nazism, fascism, socialism, and communism. On the surface utopia sounds so good. Too bad individuals screwed it up. Wait i read about that one too. Maybe i will stick with what we have.

http://www.d-holliday.com/tmore/utopia.htm

John_Brewer · May 23, 2004

Aggie said:
Want to generate a migraine quickly? Spend the day reading about the origins of the political philosophies of the last 150 years. Nazism, fascism, socialism, and communism. On the surface utopia sounds so good. Too bad individuals screwed it up. Wait i read about that one too. Maybe i will stick with what we have.

http://www.d-holliday.com/tmore/utopia.htm

Of course communism has never been tried properly. A Dictator or two, facists generally, over the years may claim they have. So we have Capitalism, well that works for most of us. Most of us that live in the western world anyway.

Feudalism may not have been so bad. You manage the land (ie meat and veg) for the Lord of The Manor and he gave you free housing, food and made sure you had rest days. You get sick, the Lord of The Manor suffers. LOTM therefor looks after you.

As you point out Aggie, Utopia just aint gonna happen while humans are around.

Sorry to witter on, and no, i'm not a left wing looney, just a looney!

Aggie · May 23, 2004

John, ever hear of a thing called the United order? Advanced warning when you look it up, it too failed for the same reasons communism failed. Basic human psychology, people like to be rewarded. If one is rewarded more than another it starts the break down of the system. If one doesn't contribute as much as the next it breaks down. In an ideal it would be wonderful. We just do not live in an ideal world where everyone thinks and behaves the same. Besides it would be damn boring.

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