HCB Appreciation

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I know you want me to find my own path koraks
Probably the most influential composer in the tango genre, and one of the most important composers of the 20th century to begin with, was Astor Piazzolla, who studied with Nadia Boulanger in Paris. One of his crucial contributions has been to register the tango on the map of 'serious' music, through his originality and the depth of his compositions. Prior to Piazzolla, the tango wasn't considered 'serious' music, and the bandoneon was not considered a relevant instrument in the classical repertoire. He changed all that, single-handedly.

Of the period when he studied with Boulanger, who trained many contemporary classical composers, Piazzolla writes the following:

There's a (probably apocryphal) shorter quote that goes something like: "You can choose: you can either become a mediocre Bartók - or you could be the best Piazzolla the world has ever seen."
 

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Tango: Zero Hour is one of the most cherished albums in my collection

 

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The "x% of my shots are keepers" is more about bragging rights than anything else.

It may matter more if 8x10 film is your medium of choice.
Yousuf Karsh comes to mind.
But it is always important to remember that most of Karsh's work was as a busy portrait photographer, working mostly with clients who weren't famous, and whose portraits aren't well known.
 

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While that is true, I was amazed when the Y Karsh show was exhibited in Calgary, the array of famous people that he did photograph...
Also I always wondered about the backstory to his photograph of Georgie Okeefe at her house in Abiquiu.
 

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While that is true, I was amazed when the Y Karsh show was exhibited in Calgary, the array of famous people that he did photograph...
Also I always wondered about the backstory to his photograph of Georgie Okeefe at her house in Abiquiu.

If you had had the chance to talk to him, he probably would have been happy to tell you .
I met him once - in a large group session. I was tasked with photographing a presentation he did to a really large group, in a lecture hall with excretable execrable light!
As a result, my negatives were of little use.
I really wish the one I took of him winking at me had turned out!
What was clear though was that perhaps Karsh's greatest ability was his ability to engage with people - which he clearly enjoyed.
One on one, in small groups, speaking to a large hall full of hundreds of people, he could make you feel as if you were the person who mattered to him.
I expect that at least some of the reason for him becoming the photographer who you wanted to have your portrait taken by - to be "Karshed" - was that people found the experience so memorable and positive.
 
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This was very inspirational.
It is difficult sometimes to find your own self. I think in the beginning it is absolutely normal (and even healthy) to try and mimic the photographers you admire and listen to your mentors. Perhaps along the process when the photographers you admire and like become more and more they will converge and be absorbed to something that you can use to mold and become your own self.
In that process I think is very important to try and keep your honesty and try to do stuff that reflect you and your inner world and do not become entrapped in what others tend to like and tell you to do, unless you work for a client.
I strongly believe that if the photography you do resonates strongly with yourself, if it is something that moves you, then it can also move others too. If not, you can still be an amazing photographer but you will lose that personality that your photographs might have.
 
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When I first saw this image, I thought he waited for some time for this composition to evolve. However, on reading a text about someone who was with him at the time, he said Henri and I were walking down a street and suddenly Henri turned to one side and took this picture. I thought only Messi playing football can do this sort of thing. True Zen.
 

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I too recall reading the account you mention, but I also think I have seen at least one other version of this scene (ie another frame). It might be in the Magnum Contacts book, but I no longer have a copy to check.
 

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In many interviews he mentions that one of the most important element you need in order to make good photographs is just plain luck.

But luck isn't enough if you haven't learned to be in full awareness, to see it when it's there. True Zen indeed.
 

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In many interviews he mentions that one of the most important element you need in order to make good photographs is just plain luck.

But luck isn't enough if you haven't learned to be in full awareness, to see it when it's there. True Zen indeed.

Luck brings the subject, geometry brings the order
When the two meet he gets his ecstasy of his "decisive moment"
 

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Good old spell-checker - gave me a laugh!

Me too - but I decided to take unfair advantage of my Moderator powers and show the correction - thanks for the heads up.
 

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I think in the beginning it is absolutely normal (and even healthy) to try and mimic the photographers you admire and listen to your mentors.

Not necessarily just in the beginning. In the West we have a strained relationship with the concept of replication in the arts. It's a cultural thing. Regardless, it can be very educational to try and replicate someone else's concept. To take the parallel of music a little further, some composers would manually copy scores of their illustrious colleagues, just to try and understand the kind of 'flow' the master would have been in while writing their music.
 

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After decades photographing with 4x5 and 8x10 I found my self mostly copying my one work. A bit boring. A few years ago I purchased a 35mm camera. I disciplined my self to shoot a full rol, 36 exposures, at one location I found interesting to take a picture. On such a location with large format I would only take 1-3 exposures. By making 36 exposures I compelled my self to find “new” possibilities.
My latest transition to digital beholds a hole new can of worms.
 

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Henri Cartier-Bresson was born August 22, 1908. Today marks his 117th birthday .
 

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I am leafing now through a book I have of HCB work and it strikes me that the majority of the photos I like are all from a single year - 1933
Without that year I dare to say that HCB would just have been a good photographer and this year lifted him to the greats
 

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Oh come on, Nikos, that’s absurd! So you would discount his photos of China in the 1940s,Ireland and Berlin in the 1950s and 60s, England in the 1950s, the Soviet Union and England in the 1970s, Japan in the 1969s, etc etc? Not to mention his photos of France and his portraits spanning several decades? I’m no hero-worshipper, but I totally reject your statement.
 

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I think yes
Not discount but I would put them in a lower category.
Still quite good photos but his photos of 1932-1933 were something else.
And I am saying that while HCB is really on my top 5 list ever
 

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Well said !
 
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When I was a lecturer of photography, I use to impress on my students the value of doing something again and again and again, to infinitum. To make an analogy, if you carve matchsticks for years and years and years, there comes a point when you are not carving that matchstick, something else is. That is when you become the operator of something beyond your control. Many will think I’m talking bullshit, but some may understand.
 
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I’m sure you know best.

I’m of the opinion that it was 1944. June. The 14th, to be specific. Without that crucial day (did I mention that it was the afternoon hours only) he’s just good.
 

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I’m sure you know best.

I’m of the opinion that it was 1944. June. The 14th, to be specific. Without that crucial day (did I mention that it was the afternoon hours only) he’s just good.

That was funny

But you are missing my point. He never repeated the transcendence of these years where he had that freshness of vision, pure, risky, and experimental, absolutely brilliance of surrealism and geometry.

Sure he became consistent as cliveh said, and polished (almost too refined) but also .. kind of boring/predictive
Sometimes he also feels too "authoritative" in his artistic statements as a journalistic work. Almost like he starts taking himself too seriously

When you work for Magnum and recognition comes sure you cant have that spirit of lightness anymore.

Before coming back again to me to clash me I ask you please have a look at these photos and compare.

And Iam saying it again, HCB is my top 5 ever

But that doesn't stop me from approaching his work critically.
 

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In HCB own words ___“for me the camera is a sketch book, an instrument of intuition and spontaneity, the master of the instant which, in visual terms, questions and decides simultaneously… It is by economy of means that one arrives at simplicity of expression.”

The att. is a street view "PAPER BOY" 1894 painted by N.Lytrss [Greek] the artistic view of HCB follows the path to art ...
 

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HCB - Munster, Ireland, 1952

Exactly my point contemplative rather than transcendent. You admire the craft, the composition, the timing, the abstractuion, but it creates less visual tension compared to his early surrealist framing experiments.
Please take all my critiques with a grain of salt, I totally admire Henri-Cartier Bresson, I am just applying some comparative analysis on his work through the years trying to understand why for me his early work resonates the best
 
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