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HC110-replacement warning some digital propoganda

Bob Carnie

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Hi Ian and other Chemical Gurus

Ok first off I am most interested in the chemical question and yes there is a lot
of digital talk with the output method ,there even is pictures to view, but APUG has the largest source of chem people so if this thread is not appropriate, the moderators can send it to hyper space

Warning,,, Warning,, this content may not be appropriate for some analoque users.



So we have been successful in making over 18 large scale negatives for various alt printing purposes using my Lambda . We are now going to print them out on different processes and stocks and see where we are. I started a group called the Toronto Farm Project and those members who stuck with us and took training with various experts are now going to put these negs to the tests.

We used rollie ortho 25 iso that we purchased in long rolls to work on our lambda.
We processed by hand in monster trays and used HC110 .. the mix was as follows 1419 ml of Hc-110 straight out of the bottles with 22 litres of water at 70 degree.Process Time was 7 min tray.
Our 21 step calibration balanced in perfectly on all three lasers so I am a very happy camper.. We got a great Dmax on the film and actually can get better.
We exposed about 30 ft of film at 20 inch width and questimated replenishment as it took us 7 four foot finals to complete the various negative.
We worked from, digital capture, scan , and made some tri colour negs with a K black neg too boot for four colour carbon and gum tests.

So here is my question from you Chem geeks. How do I make from scratch a comparable developer that I can use in a processor and set up a replenishment line... I have the processor, but I will require a developer that is sturdy, replenishable, and will last in tank for two days. I prefer a scratch developer for this as we all know the Manufacturers are dumping stock on a regular basis and for my sanity I need a solid alternative to store bought developer
the plan is to mix, balance run , then dump after film is done.
The handsome dude is me with one four colour seperation output sets, as well I have included the 21 step calibration to give you an idea of what has to happen even before I try to make the negs from files.
This calibration step is critical to all processes that can be done on a lambda, there are many processes that all require the grey patches to be balanced before the exposing unit will give you good results.

Any suggestions would be of great value to me.

thanks in advance
 

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If I remember aright, there's an "approximate recipe" for HC-110 in the Film Developing Cookbook---I think it's taken from the patent. Some of the ingredients are a little esoteric, though. There's also some broad information about the ingredients at <http://www.covingtoninnovations.com/hc110/>.

Putting the information together, my understanding is that HC-110 is basically (1) a conventional PQ developer with moderate levels of solvent, (2) in a glycol rather than water base for longevity, (3) with a strong restrainer/antifoggant. It seems like some experimentation on those principles should be possible to produce an approximate clone for home brewers.

Of course, HC-110 is cheap and seems to keep forever---is it really clear that you shouldn't just buy a tanker truck full of HC-110 syrup instead?

-NT
 
Thank you for your great response.
One of my goals is to make 40x50 film in trays and the amount of chems I will need will be crazy. I have been told by my suppler that only the 473ml contaniers are available and they are $16 a pop.
For casual use I would consider this but I believe I need to do scratch. Ian has given my great help in the past and I am sure he will steer me right once again with this odd request.

Bob


 
Nice handsome dude model. I know what "CAN" means but does "ADA" mean Attention Deficit Disorder??
 
If you ever have seen the Tetley tea commercial.
ONLY IN CANADA YOU SAY

I am pretty pumped about all this and its implications for my photographic printing opportunities.

ADA means *amazing dude aye*
Nice handsome dude model. I know what "CAN" means but does "ADA" mean Attention Deficit Disorder??
 
HC-110 is manufactured by Champion - they bought that part of the business from Kodak.

Given your volume, it may be that they would talk to you about special packaging of all sorts of useful things.
 
Good tip , Champion is just around the corner in Mississauga

HC-110 is manufactured by Champion - they bought that part of the business from Kodak.

Given your volume, it may be that they would talk to you about special packaging of all sorts of useful things.
 
Well you are talking to them, maybe you could put a bug in their ear about packaging RA-4, C41 and E6 chemistry in smaller size lots for those of us in Canada who would like to do our own colour.

Assuming, of course you don't mind the competition .
 
Making a lith print this week from one of the negs, now that is fantastic, I will post the image.
This will be a show in Contact , so you can see first hand when you are in Toronto.
No clue for HC110 but what I see is fantastic !
Best,
G.
 
Matt

Have you tried approaching your Fuji Rep in your area ? I think you may be suprised what is possible.


Bob
 
Matt

Have you tried approaching your Fuji Rep in your area ? I think you may be suprised what is possible.


Bob

Thanks for the suggestion Bob.

It is just so hard to set aside 40+ years of Kodak preference!:confused:
 
Matt , it may just be me , but I find dealing with Fuji reps here in Canada to be fantastic, they are very open to helping my company and as well clients of mine requiring special project materials.
We get next day service and materials are always in stock.
I think with this shrinking marketplace certain company's have taken the best route for there shareholders and I do not blame them for keeping their houses in order.
I am sure if you put together a proposal and quantity's with others around as a group purchase can be done with any Fuji dealer, and drop shipped to your location. I think you are in Vancouver area .
I purchase single shot chems C41 from Fuji and run dedicated runs. So its not crazy to think you could buy a years supply at a time and use it up.
send me a email if you are motivated to push forward and I will try to introduce you to the right people that can make it work.
I think the best route is to get a small buying group together , concentrate on ordering at the same time and there will be a local dealer who will perk their ears up seeing an opportunity with your group.
What they are not interested is in direct single , small multi purchases which ties up their manpower. They are not set up for this method of sale, but there are options for you to explore.
On another thread which I had to leave, I was trying to explain this very concept, but I was percieved as a mega lab not relevant to the discussion.
but .. for example , all my assosicates, elevator assistants who love photography all use the same material, ie. HP5 and Ilford Warmtone, therefore my retail guy always has those two products for not only me but my friends.
I also use Dektol, indicator stop, hypam, hypo clear and Kodak selenium toner, funny enough he always has those products and when my friends print here or at Gallery 44 they buy from him.. Small little community using the same products.
so thats the idea. hope it works out in your location.
The retailer I am speaking of also gives back to our community of friends with support , and frankly right now its like the 70's all over , maybe a bit more expensive, but I make a hell of a lot more now than I did then.




Thanks for the suggestion Bob.

It is just so hard to set aside 40+ years of Kodak preference!:confused:
 
Sounds almost like Film Plus you are chatting up here, perhaps Bob? I have always been happy with the modest stock of flim supplies they stock. Could be Eight Elm as well, thought I don't get to either as often. Burlington Camera is still my best bet here in the Western GTA.
 
Mike I am talking about Eight Elm, Mike Chan has always been nothing short of fantastic with his customer service to our group.
I have heard Film Plus is good as well but they are quite the road trip for us.

 
As Promised

Ilford Warmtone paper , contact lith print in Moreshe lith paper.

Making a lith print this week from one of the negs, now that is fantastic, I will post the image.
This will be a show in Contact , so you can see first hand when you are in Toronto.
 

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Whoever took this picture had the ugly filter on, normally I am confused with Brad Pitt.
 
Ike , after watching you , Kerik and Sandy making those negs and prints last year at Photostock was my inspiration, no shit.
thank you
Bob
Congrat's Bob, the alt possibilities are mind boggling!
Ike