I've been noticing a fair amount of grain with HC-110 and Kentmere 100 and HP5 lately. Mine isnt red though.
I wouldn't have thought that HC110 gets grainier with age or temperature. How are you measuring the extra graininess?
I have got grainier in the 12 years I have been on APUG and that certainly is with age
pentaxuser
Has anything changed in your methods. Anything, different exposure, agitation, new thermometer, ... I have never heard anyone else make this observation for HC-110.
Jessestr;1953763964 I don't measure it in any technical way. It just appeared to my eye it's grainer then other pictures. [/QUOTE said:Is this your naked eye looking at the negatives without any form of magnification or is it looking at a print at say 8x10 inches?
If it isn't a 8 x 10 print then try making one and then look at it. I presume that there was a time when your negatives/prints were less grainy so try making prints from the less grainy negatives or at least look at both sets of negatives with sufficient magnification to see grain and compare.
Ideally put both the less grainy and more grainy negs into an enlarger and focus with a grain focuser. This will tell you if there is a grain difference.
If you have no access to a darkroom and an enlarger then you might want to check that nothing has changed in your scanning.
Frankly if you are basing your conclusions on looking at negatives without any form of magnification or you are basing your conclusions on scanning then I don't think you can make any meaningful conclusions.
In recent months apparent faults, problems with negatives,screen prints or hard prints from a scanner have been due to scanning problems.
pentaxuser
Maybe it's the temperature?
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Also, scanning film completely transforms the look of the film grain. What you see is nothing like what you have, even when using a drum scanner. Film grain exists at the level of image noise and no scanning technique in existence is designed to reproduce it faithfully, which would require truly absurd levels of resolution. The closest you can get with existing technology is to make an enlargement and scan it reflectively.
Is this your naked eye looking at the negatives without any form of magnification or is it looking at a print at say 8x10 inches?
If it isn't a 8 x 10 print then try making one and then look at it. I presume that there was a time when your negatives/prints were less grainy so try making prints from the less grainy negatives or at least look at both sets of negatives with sufficient magnification to see grain and compare.
Ideally put both the less grainy and more grainy negs into an enlarger and focus with a grain focuser. This will tell you if there is a grain difference.
If you have no access to a darkroom and an enlarger then you might want to check that nothing has changed in your scanning.
Frankly if you are basing your conclusions on looking at negatives without any form of magnification or you are basing your conclusions on scanning then I don't think you can make any meaningful conclusions.
In recent months apparent faults, problems with negatives,screen prints or hard prints from a scanner have been due to scanning problems.
pentaxuser
Hello!
The temperature makes a difference, have you adjusted the time when going from 20°C to 21.5°C?
If not you are probably overdeveloping slightly (which could show up as more grain). If you have reduced the time, it might be that it is still a bit too much.
Cheers,
Franck
A different camera means a different shutter, which most likely means a change in exposure, which could mean over-exposure, which could mean increased grain.
Dear Jesstr,
I have a feeling its probably you not the HC110.
Without very sophisticated testing I doubt in all honesty you could actually perceive the 'increase' in grain with the human eye, even enlarging 35mm to 16 x 12 , but that does not mean to say it isn't happening I would be almost sure its a processing problem 'overdeveloping' or it certainly could be the camera not operating to parameters you think it is.
Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :
Don't rule out perception. Perhaps you should start there in fact. The suggestion to go back and revisit older negatives was a good one. Make prints of old vs. new and view them side by side. It is well known how easy it is for cooks to develop a "house mouth". If musicians never heard any music but their own they can slowly drift out of tune. Sometimes recalibration of the grey matter is necessary.
Also, scanning film completely transforms the look of the film grain. What you see is nothing like what you have, even when using a drum scanner. Film grain exists at the level of image noise and no scanning technique in existence is designed to reproduce it faithfully, which would require truly absurd levels of resolution. The closest you can get with existing technology is to make an enlargement and scan it reflectively.
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