Hasselblad 80mm hood work for 60mm lens?

brent8927 · May 13, 2017

I haven't been able to find a good answer from a google search. I'm trialing a 60mm/120mm kit and it's hard to fit the 120mm's hood in the bag. I rarely use that hood anyway and typically use the 80mm hood for the 120mm, but I'm wondering if it would work for both the 60 and 120.

I do not notice any vignetting in the viewfinder when using the 80mm hood on the 60mm lens, but I realize that the frame is actually a little larger than what I see. I'm wondering if anyone has actually tried using an 80mm hood on a 60mm lens and if they had any vignetting in the film. I'd prefer to not have to waste a roll of film to find out, but that would be my next step if no one has tried it.

bdial · May 13, 2017

Not something I've tried, but I'd expect some vignetting, it might be slight though.

Slixtiesix · May 14, 2017

You do not need to waste a whole film, a single shot suffices ;-) Anyway, I´ve read about that topic before and consensus was that the 80 hood will cause vignetting with the 60mm. Some people bought these cheap Chinese hoods for the 80mm and saw off a few Millimetres from the front.

Sirius Glass · May 14, 2017

I have the SWC in front of me and the lens hood states that it is from 38mm to 60mm. The 80mm hood does not state anything. I do not have a 60mm lens to check it with. Put on the 60mm lens, remove the film back, set the shutter to B, fire the shutter holding it open and see. I believe that the 80mm lens hood will vignette the 60mm lens, but I cannot say with absolute certainty.

Sirius Glass · May 14, 2017

Sirius Glass said:
I have the SWC in front of me and the lens hood states that it is from 38mm to 60mm. The 80mm hood does not state anything. I do not have a 60mm lens to check it with. Put on the 60mm lens, remove the film back, set the shutter to B, fire the shutter holding it open and see. I believe that the 80mm lens hood will vignette the 60mm lens, but I cannot say with absolute certainty.

Duh ... How about turning the f-ing lens hood around??? The 80mm lens hood, on the other side, states 60mm to 80mm [literally 60/80]!

brent8927 · May 14, 2017

Sirius Glass said:
Duh ... How about turning the f-ing lens hood around??? The 80mm lens hood, on the other side, states 60mm to 80mm [literally 60/80]!

This is true, but at least on my lens hood it's preceded by the "bay" symbol (an "o" with a line through it). So it reads o60/80. My other hoods read "060/38-60" and o60/100-250.

When I put the hood on the 60mm and hold the shutter open, I do not see any vignetting. However, it's hard to have my eye right in the focal plane.

Chris Livsey · May 14, 2017

Sirius Glass said:
Duh ... How about turning the f-ing lens hood around??? The 80mm lens hood, on the other side, states 60mm to 80mm [literally 60/80]!

I'm afraid the 60 refers to the diameter

part 40670 is the 80mm hood marked for that lens only.
part 40668 is also marked 60 (diameter and 38-60 for lenses from 38-60 (therefore including the 50mm): 60 38-60

The 80mm lens hood is 2cm longer than the 38-60, visually a striking difference
The length of the hood is not simply related to the focal length the speed of the lens matters as well. If you look at the Proshade markings you will see a shorter hood is required for the F series 110mm than for the CF 80, note the FE lenses have their own range of hoods no doubt to allow for the aperture differences.
Visually I can't see the 60mm vignetting with the 80mm hood on but then I'm not a piece of film and I unless it was gross I don't think I would.
I would test using semi-transparent plexiglass in front in of the hood to see if the effect is enough to be troublesome, I must admit I travel with all lenses fitted with hoods to avoid changing them although some are of Chinese origin I find to no detriment, the weight is negligible.

Sirius Glass · May 14, 2017

Mine says phi 60/80 as yours does.

John Koehrer · May 14, 2017

Slixtiesix said:
You do not need to waste a whole film, a single shot suffices ;-) Anyway, I´ve read about that topic before and consensus was that the 80 hood will cause vignetting with the 60mm. Some people bought these cheap Chinese hoods for the 80mm and saw off a few Millimetres from the front.

That would be a good solution, but I wouldn't use a saw; use a sheet of fine sandpaper on a flat surface
and sand it down. It's going to be a much smoother edge and less noticeable. It's also easier to see your progress.
If you're a fanatic about how it looks you may have to bite the bullet and get the correct hood again the
best way too check is just to shoot a frame. If there is vignetting it'll show at smaller stops.

Chris Livsey · May 14, 2017

John Koehrer said:
That would be a good solution, but I wouldn't use a saw; use a sheet of fine sandpaper on a flat surface
and sand it down. It's going to be a much smoother edge and less noticeable. It's also easier to see your progress.
If you're a fanatic about how it looks you may have to bite the bullet and get the correct hood again the
best way too check is just to shoot a frame. If there is vignetting it'll show at smaller stops.

That all seems a lot of work when the Chinese hoods of the correct size are around £10 on the auction site.

Slixtiesix · May 15, 2017

Main problem with the original 60mm hood is that it is rather short. Shorter than actually needed. Mind, it´s designed for the SWC as well. Shortening an 80mm hood will still result in a somewhat longer hood, which will hopefully be of better use than the original hood. Anyway, some years ago I made a test with various focal lengths without hood/with hood/with compendium. The result was that the shorter hoods barely made an improvement at all, even with older uncoated lenses. Using a compendium, especially with the proper masks, made a great difference on the other hand...

Chris Livsey · May 15, 2017

Slixtiesix said:
Main problem with the original 60mm hood is that it is rather short. Shorter than actually needed. Mind, it´s designed for the SWC as well.

Those are interesting observations and borne out by examining my the actual Compendium hood which when fully collapsed ( I am looking at the 6093 Proshade version) shows the setting for 38/40 giving an extension from the mount of about 4cm wheres the mark for the 60mm CF is an extension of a further 2cm which absolutely supports your comment. The rigid hood 38-60 is too short for the 60mm and taking 2cm off the 80mm hood would be about right. On the same principle the 80mm hood is too short as well, but bear in mind the compendium hood has a much larger diameter so the edges are much further away from the edge of the front element which will make a difference to any vignetting.

Sirius Glass · May 15, 2017

Slixtiesix said:
Main problem with the original 60mm hood is that it is rather short. Shorter than actually needed. Mind, it´s designed for the SWC as well.

I agree that it is too short for the 50mm and 60mm lens, but it is long enough to do a good job. Yesterday, I took a flop on the sidewalk because I did not see the step, I had the SWC around my neck. Instead of denting the lens ring, the lens hood got a little scrape on the edge. I would say based on that the 38mm to 60mm plastic knock-off lens hoods are worth using.

Slixtiesix · May 15, 2017

Haha, never saw it from this point...

Sirius Glass · May 15, 2017

Sirius Glass said:
I agree that it is too short for the 50mm and 60mm lens, but it is long enough to do a good job. Yesterday, I took a flop on the sidewalk because I did not see the step, I had the SWC around my neck. Instead of denting the lens ring, the lens hood got a little scrape on the edge. I would say based on that the 38mm to 60mm plastic knock-off lens hoods are worth using.

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jeffreyg · May 15, 2017

According to my 20 year old Hasselblad catalog the lens shade for wide-angle Hasselblad lenses 38 to 60mm is #40668 and the one for the 80mm is (different) #40670. The illustrations in the catalog show a significant difference. The 60 you see relates to the B60 mount.

http://www.jeffreyglasser.com/

nathantw · May 20, 2017

brent8927 said:
I'm wondering if anyone has actually tried using an 80mm hood on a 60mm lens and if they had any vignetting in the film.

The size of the 80mm hood is crazy big on the 60mm.
Here's with a regular 60mm hood.

The frame size is 49x37 and you can see vignetting already on the corners. On a 6x6 full frame it'll definitely show, though I didn't see it in my viewfinder.

phass · May 21, 2017

nathantw said:
The size of the 80mm hood is crazy big on the 60mm. View attachment 179609
Here's with a regular 60mm hood.
View attachment 179610
The frame size is 49x37 and you can see vignetting already on the corners. On a 6x6 full frame it'll definitely show, though I didn't see it in my viewfinder.
View attachment 179612

I assume you use the big enough f-stop to exclude the lens's inherent vignetting as it shown on spec's.

I bought Distagon 50 mm CF FLE one year ago and decided that $100 hood is too much for my lens. 38 - 60 mm hood looked too short to me, so I got 60 - 80 mm $19 hood on ebay and cut it down, plus, I spray internal part of it with satin black pain and very happy with outcome.
Cheers.

nathantw · May 22, 2017

Yes, I shot at f/3.5. However, some of the vignetting could be the inherent vignetting from shooting wide open.

Chris Livsey · Jul 3, 2017

Just reviving this thread as I found this recently:
(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

What i have done, is get bayonet 60 shades for the 80 mm lens, and shorten them.
Hasselblad was kind enough to calculate for me by how much for both 50 mm and 60 mm lenses: by 17 mm and 15.5 mm.

Using my hoods the 80mm hood is, from front to back, 5cm, 15 mm off gives 3.5m, the 38-60 hood is 3cm, for an extension of 0.5cm over that hood it hardly seems worthwhile the trouble of cutting down a new hood.

Hasselblad 80mm hood work for 60mm lens?

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