Has there ever been a B/W chromogenic E6 film?

[Concord_850]

I am just curious.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Not to my knowledge, although there have been companies that would develop black & white negatives as slides. I have been tempted but I have not tried that.

 

[Augustus Caesar]

No, but you can run XP2 through E6.

 

[Paul Howell]

Not E 6, Polaroid made a black and white slide film that the user processed with the Polaroid Processor. Mid 80s I shot several rolls, it was expensive.

 

[lamerko]

As far as I know, a film like this has never been made. Maybe if the Ilford XP2 is processed in E-6, it will have some positive image. How successfully - I have no idea. High speed films are not suitable for reversing.
Otherwise, in a modified E-6 process (removal of bleach and correction of times and temperatures), the chemistry could be used on some classic B&W films with reasonably good success, but such an endeavor would be completely pointless.

 

[otto.f]

Do you specifically want an E6 development or are you just looking for a slide film? The latter is AGFA Scala 50 ASA from ADOX.

 

[Ivo Stunga]

High speed films are not suitable for reversing.

But it absolutely can be done, Delta 3200 @1600 reverses just fine, albeit VERY FLAT if shot at daylight, nighttime looks good though.

 

[John Salim]

No, but you can run XP2 through E6.

I did this once just out of curiosity, and the results were flat contrast with a bluey-cyan cast !

John S

 

[BMbikerider]

Foma manufacture and sell a B&W reversal film and is available in UK and Europe . I know the processing kits are available to use with other films than Foma but you would have to use one with an un-tinted base to get a correct black and clear highlights.

I have just checked and the film is Fomapan100R and in UK costs about £6.99 (about 9$) plus of course the processing kit,

 

[koraks]

Foma manufacture and sell a B&W reversal film and is available in UK and Europe

They sure do. But it's not E6.

I don't think any B&W E6 product ever existed on the market.

 

[BMbikerider]

They sure do. But it's not E6.

I don't think any B&W E6 product ever existed on the market.

I didn't say it was E6!

I have seen transparencies made from the film and home processed and they had the appearance of a B&W film formerly sold under the Agfa -Geavert name called Dia-Direct, They were actually very nice quality.

I think that something else would have to be done to make XP2 usable as a slide because of the quite heavy film base mask.

 

[lamerko]

There are various reversible B&W films, but the topic is about E-6

 

[koraks]

I didn't say it was E6!

I know. But this is what OP asked, quoting the title of the thread we are posting in:

Has there ever been a B/W chromogenic E6 film?​

 

[Concord_850]

Do you specifically want an E6 development or are you just looking for a slide film? The latter is AGFA Scala 50 ASA from ADOX.

I'm not particularly looking to use such a film, though I would try it if it existed. I have used Bellini's kit to reverse various non-chromogenic films, including Delta 3200, mentioned above.

 

[AnselMortensen]

I experimented with XP-1 processed in E6...IIRC, it needed a 2-stop (maybe 3-stop) push to bring contrast to an acceptable level. That was 30 years ago, and I don't recall the EI that I used.

 

[otto.f]

I'm not particularly looking to use such a film, though I would try it if it existed. I have used Bellini's kit to reverse various non-chromogenic films, including Delta 3200, mentioned above.

ADOX Scala Kit for B/W Slide Processing to mix 2000 ml - fotoimpex.com analogue photography

The ADOX SCALA Kit only has two parts (plus an optional clear bath), radically simplifying the black&white reversal process. Simply mix the developer and bleach 1+1 with ...

www.fotoimpex.com

only 35mm I’m afraid

 

[foc]

I have seen transparencies made from the film and home processed and they had the appearance of a B&W film formerly sold under the Agfa -Geavert name called Dia-Direct,

Many years ago, I heard from a lab co-worker, that Agfa-Geavert Dia Direct (a black & white transparency film) was a chromogenic slide film. It was not E6 but Agfa's process (AP) 41. which was the same process for Agfachrome CT18 etc before they changed to E6 in the early 1980s

I asked over the years and have searched the internet and can't find any info about it.

Believe it..............or NOT !

 

[Concord_850]

Many years ago, I heard from a lab co-worker, that Agfa-Geavert Dia Direct (a black & white transparency film) was a chromogenic slide film. It was not E6 but Agfa's process (AP) 41. which was the same process for Agfachrome CT18 etc before they changed to E6 in the early 1980s

I asked over the years and have searched the internet and can't find any info about it.

Believe it..............or NOT !

Very interesting, thank you for that information!

 

[RodinalSpezial]

Many years ago, I heard from a lab co-worker, that Agfa-Geavert Dia Direct (a black & white transparency film) was a chromogenic slide film. It was not E6 but Agfa's process (AP) 41. which was the same process for Agfachrome CT18 etc before they changed to E6 in the early 1980s

I asked over the years and have searched the internet and can't find any info about it.

Believe it..............or NOT !

The process instructions for Agfa Dia Direct can be found on the internet, it's very similar to Fomapan R and Agfa Scala as it's a classic B/W reversal process with dichromate bleach and re-exposure. So no chromogenic film either.

 

[Randy Stewart]

No. Given the nature of the E6 process, it would offer no advantage over any of the more conventional B&W reversal processes which have been around for decades, commercially or otherwise. There would be no economic or quality advantages to warrant exploration of the idea.

 

[foc]

The process instructions for Agfa Dia Direct can be found on the internet

Hi, thank you for that info, can you supply a link to Agfa Dia Direct processing instructions, please?

 

[RodinalSpezial]

No. Given the nature of the E6 process, it would offer no advantage over any of the more conventional B&W reversal processes which have been around for decades, commercially or otherwise. There would be no economic or quality advantages to warrant exploration of the idea.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiM_taW5p2DAxUiSPEDHTZqAcIQFnoECBIQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.photrio.com%2Fforum%2Fattachments%2Fddm-pdf.340068%2F&usg=AOvVaw3WasEG5LU0viA6w8kqg6YL&opi=89978449

 

[Ivo Stunga]

link to Agfa Dia Direct processing instructions

Have you checked this? https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/processing-agfa-dia-direct.67343/
It's a bog-standard BW Reversal process - they're all pretty much identical, except juices used and some nuance.


What makes a film a "slide film"? It all boils down to clear base, as any BW material can be reversed. Any C-41 and E-6 film can be BW reversed too...

Here's an example of experiment I did once: Superia X-Tra 400 processed to BW slide with Ilford Reversal Processing: https://www.flickr.com/search/?user_id=108634366@N07&tags=C41BW
They're dense and low-key - probably due to the base mask which turns to grayscale after processing. Latitude too is good - as expected.

 

[foc]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiM_taW5p2DAxUiSPEDHTZqAcIQFnoECBIQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.photrio.com%2Fforum%2Fattachments%2Fddm-pdf.340068%2F&usg=AOvVaw3WasEG5LU0viA6w8kqg6YL&opi=89978449

Thank you, this is very helpful.

 

[foc]

Have you checked this? https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/processing-agfa-dia-direct.67343/

I had checked out that link, thank you. The processes Ian Grant quotes are from 1940 Agfa reversal process and 1947 Gavaert reversal process.

They are different from the Dia Direct process posted by @RodinalSpezial .

Thanks to both of you for helping. I now know that my old work colleague was spoofing