Harlot or Harlow. Which rhymes with Darlot?

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I just scored a very nice Darlot Petzval on eBay (Item # 7582415101) last week and it was waiting for me when I arrived home from work this evening. The lens is in really nice shape and is quite substantial and solid compared to other Petzvals I've acquired. I always thought Darlot lenses were supposed to be very common and lower quality than comparable Dallmeyers or Voigtlanders. The machining of this lens makes me think otherwise, but I guess the real test will come when I start shooting with it.

But, I'm also wondering if Darlot may have had several different lines of quality and if so, I'm wondering what I might have here. The only markings are Darlot, Paris", which is inscribed on the brass barrel and written in ink (?) on the edge of the thicker lens of the rear doublet. The lens lacks a serial number or monogram. It is slotted for waterhouse stops (one was included) but it also has a hole cut back from the slot which allows the stops' tab, which is bent perpendicular to the stop face, to reside flush with the outside surface of the inner barrel. This allows the outer collar to move over the waterhouse stop slot when focusing. I've never seen this arrangement on another lens.

My guess is that this lens is a 7" f/4 (although the auction states a 10" focal length-I'm measuring the rear focus here). The lens is about 5" total length to the end of the hood with a barrel about 2.875" diameter. There is a 7" Darlot listed in the vade mecum, but not a whole lot of info on Darlot lenses there. Can anyone add to this?

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All of mine are Darlot rhymes with Charlotte, but then I live in a town where most folks don't have all their teeth. How'd I let somebody else get that one. Must be slipping. Sorry, nothing intelligent to add.
 

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Harlow.
 

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If my high school French hasn't failed me, I think the "T" at the end is silent, thereby making it rhyme with Harlow. The "T" would usually only be pronounced if the next word began with a vowel. Maybe some native speaker could jump in here....


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Looks like you got a bargain----I just landed another one myself though a little more pricey--ebay (imagine that!) item #7582999210
Sorry not a Darlot but rather a Voigtlander & Sohn
Jim Galli can't get all of them !! I will try Jim's approach to longer exposures via a paper negative as Jim's look really good and I currently have no ND filters!!
 

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Hi Joe,

I have attached an image from a 1890s French's Lens catalogue detailing Darlot (Harlow) Petzvals. I have never owned one, following (allegedly) Julia Margaret Cameron who called her Darlot "that horrid French lens".

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isaacc7 said:
If my high school French hasn't failed me, I think the "T" at the end is silent, thereby making it rhyme with Harlow. The "T" would usually only be pronounced if the next word began with a vowel. Maybe some native speaker could jump in here....


Isaac

Or I could just look it up after purchasing one of those English-French dictionaries at Target.
 

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smieglitz said:
Or I could just look it up after purchasing one of those English-French dictionaries at Target.
pronounced tar-zhay
 
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JG Motamedi said:
... Julia Margaret Cameron who called her Darlot "that horrid French lens".

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Dallmeyer!
Dallmeyer!

Ummm! This might be interesting. Sometimes horrid is just what I'm after.

Thanks for the catalog page.

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isaacc7 said:
If my high school French hasn't failed me, I think the "T" at the end is silent, thereby making it rhyme with Harlow. The "T" would usually only be pronounced if the next word began with a vowel. Maybe some native speaker could jump in here....


Isaac


it would be like harlot if the word was spelled "darlotte" ...

my wife (native speaker) corrects my french all the time because
i want to pronounce all the consonants that end a word when the
word don't end in no double-consonant and an "e" ...

jo(h)n
 

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smieglitz said:
Then its like Foe-lurr?

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You'd be amazed at how many ways there are to mis-pronounce something this simple... :smile:
 

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JG Motamedi said:
Hi Joe,

I have attached an image from a 1890s French's Lens catalogue detailing Darlot (Harlow) Petzvals. I have never owned one, following (allegedly) Julia Margaret Cameron who called her Darlot "that horrid French lens".

Hi All,

It looks from this catalogue that other manufacturers mounted Darlot lenses in their own tubes, if I'm understanding the top few lines correctly. I have a large petzval (about 13" focal length, roughly 4" dia front element) with no markings on the outside, and equipped with an iris diaphragm that opens up to f5. The back element set though is marked "Darlot a Paris 1862", which tells me it's a Darlot lens. I'm guessing it must have been remounted with the iris at some later date, or perhaps the lens cells sat about for a while before mounting since I thought only waterhouse stops were used in the 1860s. If someone has more info on these lenses I'd appreciate it.

thanks

Tim
 

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I went to Harlow once. Once.
 
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