It's ironic that there are some "members" that are slamming Kodak for not supporting APUG, and other "members" that want to support Kodak in order to keep them in the film business.
What about supporting APUG by becoming "subscribers"?
Money talks, and you know the rest!
it was the CEO ( mr perez ) a few years ago in a big speech who declared it ...
oh well, i guess we just better keep shooting, and keep supporting those who support us in any way we can ..
I said that my idea of cheap is $40. I can buy a lot of film for $400, or I can pay some bills.
it was the CEO ( mr perez ) a few years ago in a big speech who declared it ...
oh well, i guess we just better keep shooting, and keep supporting those who support us in any way we can ..
Even current film prices are not expensive IMO. $4 for a roll of TMY, and people complain about this? I'm as poor as the next guy, probably poorer, but I consider myself lucky to be able to buy the best films the world has known for <$5 per roll. I wonder if current film prices are even historically high, considering inflation and consumer price index and all that. How much did a roll of Kodak film cost in say, 1960/1980/1990? Anyone remember? I wasn't even alive but I want to compare to today's prices.
Also posted without unnecessary comment:-
www.ilfordphoto.com/aboutus/page.asp?n=141
www.fujifilm.com/products/film_camera/
It's ironic that there are some "members" that are slamming Kodak for not supporting APUG, and other "members" that want to support Kodak in order to keep them in the film business.
What about supporting APUG by becoming "subscribers"?
Money talks, and you know the rest!
I'll assume this is represented as in contrast to Kodak's site.
As known and discussed before, it's quite lame how Fujifilm doesn't even recognize their own black and white films on said referenced page.
Whatever. What was the purpose of posting that?Kodak has abandoned me as an analog BW photographer several years ago. So I have abandoned Kodak for Ilford at about the same time. I haven't regretted that ever since.
Whatever. What was the purpose of posting that?
Regards, Art.
Whatever. What was the purpose of posting that?
Regards, Art.
Originally Posted by argentic
Kodak has abandoned me as an analog BW photographer several years ago. So I have abandoned Kodak for Ilford at about the same time. I haven't regretted that ever since.
Actually, it seems a quite reasonable thing to say. Argentic just left out the big backstory in the interest of brevity.
If, as is oh-so-often pointed out on APUG, analog materials are an endangered species, it makes all the sense in the world to support the company who has made and kept promises to stick with film and paper production. Kodak has dropped paper, is down to less than a handful of b&w films, and barely gives credit that 'consumer' photographers might be interested in anything but digital. They are signaling their long-term business plan loud and clear. When I buy Ilford products, I'm not doing it to "punish" Kodak. I actually don't give Kodak much thought anymore. I buy Ilford products because they're great and I trust they'll be around for awhile, especially with our support.
For what it's worth,
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Originally Posted by argentic
Kodak has dropped paper, is down to less than a handful of b&w films, and barely gives credit that 'consumer' photographers might be interested in anything but digital.
I was in the Manchester(UK) branch of Calumet a few weeks ago buying film for an upcoming project(20 boxes of 5 160NC & 5 boxes of 5 400NC) and the people in there said that their film sales were way up,Liverpool branch said the same thing. The guy in the Manchester shop said that he had seen a huge increase in all types(pos,neg,b/w) of 120 roll film and thinks this is partly due to the increased popularity of cameras such as the Holga and Lubitel,mainly with younger people.
Don't they make about the same number of B&W films as Ilford and Fuji?
I count 5 from Kodak, 6 from Ilford, and 3 from Fuji. To give Ilford credit, I think they do have 2 other films (Pan 100 and 400?) that aren't available here, plus some number of other films they coat/sell, like Kentmere.
Kodak is the only manufacturer who has brought out anything new in the last couple of years. TMAX 400-2, Ektar, as well as revamping the Portra line a couple times. They also brought out Ektar in 120. Fuji did bring out Velvia 50 again, and as did Ilford with SFX.
I don't see the lack of commitment. As PE has pointed out, they have certain policies with respect to communications, which are unfortunate, but the products they've been discontinuing they were most assuredly losing money on.
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