Nick Zentena said:I didn't see it mentioned. What kind of finders on the three cameras? All WL? Or a mix?
Ole said:The problem with moderating threads is that there will often be some "carry-over" into later posts. The decision of how much to edit these is a difficult one, and we moderators generally hope that later posters will ignore these and just get back to the subject.
Please?
Sandeep said:I plan to repeat the test using a monopod as I'm curious to see how much of a difference it makes and will report back.
gnashings said:My apologies and thanks to the moderation team - a cut above as always, doing a splendid job in a manner beyond reproach. I regret that I allowed myself to be reduced to such "tactics" by something so trivial, and something that I really should know better than to react to, thus creating the need for a lot of unnecessary work and aggrevation on the behalf of the moderators.
Peter.
As long as you won't let this rest, that is exactly how it seems to me. I'm sure I'm not alone in this view.gnashings said:.. it seems I am treated the same as someone who is obviously looking to do nothing but instigate unrest. ...
df cardwell said:Sandeep began this thread with an interesting post that ( as I read it ) pointed out a virtue of the classic Rolleiflex. There is a reason it is considered a classic.
Obviously, if one photographs one's world with long lenses and slow film, a TLR has no more merit than a ... well, something without much merit. But if we like the idea of a willing and gamesome travel companion, quirky enough to have to make a few allowances for, but equally at home wherever you're likely to go, a Rollei ( or Minolta, or some other TLR ) is a great choice.
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df cardwell said:a willing and gamesome travel companion, quirky enough to have to make a few allowances for, but equally at home wherever you're likely to go
Remember the 2x3 Horsemans (horsemen?) are basically souped up press cameras. They're designed to handheld. With leaf shutters and no mirror there is no camera induced vibration, and the weight will dampen much environmental vibration from you and the wind. People regularly claim to be able to use leaf shuttered 35mm rangfinders at 1/30th, so 1/60 should be comparable on the Horseman. Haven't tried it with my 980, as the only hand held shots I have taken have been with flash. If I want to carry a 2x3 rangefinder around outdoors I usually use a Moskva or Miniature Speed Graphic to save weight. I have shot the Graphic handheld, but seated, at 1/25 with tolerable results.isaacc7 said:I've just shot several rolls on my new (to me) Horseman VHR. I've found it pretty easy to get sharp photos (viewing neg with 8x loupe) with the 105mm lens handheld even down to 1/60. Haven't tried the wider lens yet, but I figure that I may be able to go down even lower. I'm figuring that it is the "RZ67 syndrome" in action... There is enough mass there to dampen a lot of the vibrations. Think I'll be using the rangefinder quite often....
Isaac
antielectrons said:Yes, I agree. Some of my better street image were taken with Rollei TLR's. Clearly not having a mirror slap around is a big plus as is their size, being easy to handhold and keep still. It is a real shame they have become so overpriced, if only someone would do a "voiglander" and produce a modern TLR with quality lenses.
Antonio
DBP said:I suspect that the Seagull manufacturers think they are doing that. The difference is that prior to Cosina there was nothing comparable to a Leica M new or used at anything resembling a reasonable price. And the early Bessa series were able to share everything but the rangefinder with an active production line for SLRs, so costs were easier to control. Even so, Cosina stepped in pretty carefully. I doubt a modern TLR could be built anywhere near the price of the Bessas. For starters, what's the going rate for a good leaf shutter? With old Rolleis, Yashicamats, Autocords and the like going for under $300, there is no market sufficient to support the needed investment.
DBP said:Am I the only person who knows how to do a search for completed auctions on eBay? I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it. But Rolleiflexes! are going for under $300, and Rolleicords for less than half that.
antielectrons said:I am sure there are some real bargains on ebay in bargain condition! But I challenge you to show me a 3.5f or a 2.8f in decent working order for less than $300 or less. All the good stuff is up at around $1000 and even then it is still second hand grade.
DBP said:I believe you said "old Rolleis". Try looking at one that went for $220 last night, item 7624997202. Watch it for a while, see if the buyer complains about condition. You can't keep changing the terms of your statement in hopes of making it correct. I am as surprised as anyone at the current price of TLRs. But it is a fact.
DBP said:I believe you said "old Rolleis". Try looking at one that went for $220 last night, item 7624997202. Watch it for a while, see if the buyer complains about condition. You can't keep changing the terms of your statement in hopes of making it correct. I am as surprised as anyone at the current price of TLRs. But it is a fact.
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