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So I was visiting Haiti, 2 weeks in the capital. It is known that the country has many problems and issues, but I got a feeling that the people are nevertheless positive and happy. Here are couple of prints:
 

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So I was visiting Haiti, 2 weeks in the capital. It is known that the country has many problems and issues, but I got a feeling that the people are nevertheless positive and happy. Here are couple of prints:
Fantastic! I haven't seen any photos of Haiti other than the ones I took while visiting it on a cruise (and to be frank, I only get a highly curated version of Haiti. The port is gated to keep locals from coming in and visitors from getting out). What I could see was staggeringly beautiful. Actually, it looked considerably more pristine than the other Caribbean islands I've visited.

https://www.lomography.com/homes/ces1um/albums/2167729-lomo-lc-a/22604854

I felt bad for this poor guy. It was pouring as hard as I've ever seen it and he just paddled his heavy wooden boat many km in the rain to get back to shore. It looked like hard, gruelling work. He was the only guy paddling that day that was alone in a boat. The 7-8 other boats all had two people sharing the work.
 
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Thanks Ces1um :smile:.
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No matter how bad things can get, the people of Haiti persevere: Thank you for posting these Darko !
 

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Thanks Ces1um :smile:.
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So when I was there on a cruise they painted Haiti as a very dangerous place to be. It's one of the reasons they wouldn't allow us past their gated port. Did you find anything that would corroborate that? I know the people there have little to nothing, but did you ever feel threatened? I'm just wondering if the cruise line overstates the danger (they say similar things about going out alone in Jamaica as well although to a lesser degree).
 
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I was in Haiti on business. In general - some parts of the city I would consider not safe for non-locals, but during the day I have walked around in many areas, and did not had any problems. I was usually the only white guy on the street, but nobody was harassing me, asking money or something. If they showed that they noticed me - that was with a smile, kids as well. I know some local guys there, but often I have walked alone as well. I stayed in Pétion-Ville, and there in general was safe and ok in the night time as well.
 

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Hey, good stuff!
 
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Thanks NB23 :smile:.
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Darko, I take it that you didn't get out of Port-au-Prince. Is this correct?

I ask because I did fieldwork in Haiti in '86, finally got around to working the specimens over seriously last year and very much want to go back to recollect. Can't get DNA from my old specimens and having it would really help. I'm concerned about security in the country.

When I was there no one in the country, including some Macoutes, was armed. I understand there are many guns in Haiti now.
 
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Darko, I take it that you didn't get out of Port-au-Prince. Is this correct?

I ask because I did fieldwork in Haiti in '86, finally got around to working the specimens over seriously last year and very much want to go back to recollect. Can't get DNA from my old specimens and having it would really help. I'm concerned about security in the country.

When I was there no one in the country, including some Macoutes, was armed. I understand there are many guns in Haiti now.

Hi Dan,

I am back in Hamburg, I got back before demonstrations.
Guns - there are armed security guards in front of hotels, government buildings, banks and so on.
 

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Darko, thanks for the reply. I was thinking more of armed robbers than of guards. Brings to mind how shocked I was to see guards with AKs in the parking lot of the El Rey supermarket on Via Espana, Panama City.
 
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Darko, thanks for the reply. I was thinking more of armed robbers than of guards. Brings to mind how shocked I was to see guards with AKs in the parking lot of the El Rey supermarket on Via Espana, Panama City.


Dangerous criminals and heavily armed police and security guards have a symbiotic relationship to each other. When crime gets worse, the guards and police become more numerous and more heavily armed.

We Americans aren't used to seeing that; our police only carry pistols and many private security guards are unarmed. Despite the media's hysteria, the US is one of the safest places in the world. There are A LOT of countries in the world today where armed guards are ubiquitous, and where the police carry automatic rifles.
 

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Dangerous criminals and heavily armed police and security guards have a symbiotic relationship to each other. When crime gets worse, the guards and police become more numerous and more heavily armed.

We Americans aren't used to seeing that; our police only carry pistols and many private security guards are unarmed. Despite the media's hysteria, the US is one of the safest places in the world. There are A LOT of countries in the world today where armed guards are ubiquitous, and where the police carry automatic rifles.

Chris, we're veering into politics. I hope that the mods delete your post and my reply.

I was in Haiti before Duvalier fils left. In those days, practically no one was armed. At one army checkpoint, the soldier on guard out front presented arms as I walked up. I b'lieve he had an M1903 Springfield. The bolt was locked, there was no magazine, he had at most one round, and that in the chamber. Out in the country I encountered Volontaires Pour Securite Nationale (Tontons Macoutes, the Duvaliers' thugs) with no firearms at all. Some had empty holsters for sidearms. Practically speaking no one was armed. After Baby Doc fled many Macoutes were killed with hoes and machetes. People just weren't armed.

There was also control of movement, sometimes simply by closing the gas stations. The army did that. And there was strong control of communications. No long distance (between departements) phone calls without permission. What did Baby Doc in, besides his stupidity and his stupid and greedy wife, was his inability to turn off or jam radio stations, many run by churches. That's what enabled the opposition to organize itself.
 
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Darko, thanks for the reply. I was thinking more of armed robbers than of guards. Brings to mind how shocked I was to see guards with AKs in the parking lot of the El Rey supermarket on Via Espana, Panama City.

As far as I understood the locals - criminals are usually not armed with fire arms, eventually with a knife or so. Fire arms are expensive.

In general I find that Wikitravel explained it pretty good:

https://wikitravel.org/en/Haiti
 

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"M1903 Springfield. The bolt was locked, there was no magazine, he had at most one round"

Fwiw, that rifle never has a protruding magazine.
 

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I visited Haiti in June 2014 for some missionary work. I spent most of the time in the back country. The country was an economic mess, but I never felt threatened or fearful of violence. The people are very friendly and positive despite severe poverty. Here is a link to my B&W photos on IMGUR, a photo sharing website:
http://imgur.com/a/tvigk
 
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