Gudy Mounting Adhesive

GraemeMitchell · Dec 4, 2009

Wondering if anyone has any experience with Gudy Mounting Adhesive for cold mounting prints? Thoughts on it? Wanted to see if there were any opinions before I bought a roll to try.

dancqu · Dec 7, 2009

Thinking of that $26 roll. Perhaps we
could split one? Break ourselves in
on it. Dan

GraemeMitchell · Dec 7, 2009

Dan, I actually just pulled the trigger and ordered a roll from Gaylord in Syracuse.

I should have some feedback within the month and I'll try to remember to come back and post on it here.

GraemeMitchell · Dec 20, 2009

So I've received and began to use a few rolls of the Gudy 870 adhesive. I'm mounting 10x6.5" inkjets in an album. Thus far I'm impressed. The inkjet paper is Museo Silver rage, which is thick and card stock-ish, furthermore it was off a roll, so it has substantial curve, w/ that it's still easy to lay the prints down on the adhesive, trim them and mount them in the book. I wouldn't want to try to do it with prints bigger than 11x14 by hand w/ this paper, but if the paper was flatter or less stiff (easier to control) then I'd be comfortable doing it with a bigger sized print. With a roller set up or cold press I think one could get the hang of doing very large prints with this stuff.

Anyway, really easy to use and it seems to be strong.

GraemeMitchell · Dec 21, 2009

BTW, this is what I was using it for, in case you're curious: http://graememitchell.com/blog/unreal-city-portfolio-edition. The pages do bend and have flex to them, and so far the adhesive seems to hold the prints down fine, w/o any lifting off or what have your.

cbphoto · Dec 21, 2009

GraemeMitchell said:
BTW, this is what I was using it for, in case you're curious: http://graememitchell.com/blog/unreal-city-portfolio-edition. The pages do bend and have flex to them, and so far the adhesive seems to hold the prints down fine, w/o any lifting off or what have your.

That looks very nice. I'm looking to do something similar - replace my current leather portfolio that has plastic sleeves with a sleeveless book of real wet prints. I am unclear on whether to go with dry mounting (I don't have a press, so this could get expensive) or something like this.

So you think this is a suitable substitute for dry-mounting?

GraemeMitchell · Dec 22, 2009

As far as I can tell so far, yes, it's a suitable alternative to dry mounting. But this is only after having working w/ the material for a few days, so take that statement w/ a large disclaimer saying such.

The portfolios I'm doing are more for collecting and taking out of the box to look at occasionally. I'm not sure I'd go this route for something that is going to be used for promotion or handled a lot. Not b/c I wouldn't have faith in this mounting material, but mainly b/c those kind of portfolios, especially if you leave them behind, get very beat up very quickly, and exposed prints tend to look worse than sleeved ones after a few months of use. Not to mention it's important to be able to keep them updated on a regular basis. But I guess it depends a bit on your market, I'm thinking for commercial and editorial hustle...it's different if you're goal is to get gallery rep.

cbphoto · Dec 22, 2009

I think I'll try it. The book will be handled by clients, but when you think about the price and effort involved in the standard duo rag paper printing and scoring, it's a bout a wash when it comes back needing new prints. Or maybe I'll say screw 'em and keep using the sleeves.

GraemeMitchell · Dec 22, 2009

I've done sleeveless books and they just ended up getting messy. But I'm sure it can be done well if approached right, which I'm sure I wasn't

IME, the standard for books is House of Portfolios in NYC. Plain black book and case. Then to get tons of sleeves and change them every 5 or so times the book goes out. Nothing at all to distract from the work.

cbphoto · Dec 22, 2009

I have three or four H.O.P books right now! I only ever end up using one anyway (lack of popularity, I suppose).

dancqu · Dec 23, 2009

Search posts for Talas. Some additional info
of Gudy 870. Only $26 from Talas. Dan

GraemeMitchell · Dec 23, 2009

cbphoto said:
I have three or four H.O.P books right now! I only ever end up using one anyway (lack of popularity, I suppose).

I'm a fan of the HOP books. I think they're perfect for their use. But I do suggest swapping the sleeves often to keep them tight looking.

Don't fret about having 2 at home though: nobody's go out as often as they want. These days you're better off dumping the money into web stuff anyway...I mean, the last two mags that I worked with, and they're relatively large magazines, asked me to shoot after seeing my blog. My BLOG. Neither had even seen my regular site when I asked; one asked to see my book; the other didn't seem to care.

GraemeMitchell · Dec 23, 2009

dancqu said:
Search posts for Talas. Some additional info
of Gudy 870. Only $26 from Talas. Dan

That is inexpensive. I think I payed 3+ times that. And the place I ordered from messed up my order to boot. Thanks for the tip for future reference.

cbphoto · Dec 23, 2009

GraemeMitchell said:
I'm a fan of the HOP books. I think they're perfect for their use. But I do suggest swapping the sleeves often to keep them tight looking.

Don't fret about having 2 at home though: nobody's go out as often as they want. These days you're better off dumping the money into web stuff anyway...I mean, the last two mags that I worked with, and they're relatively large magazines, asked me to shoot after seeing my blog. My BLOG. Neither had even seen my regular site when I asked; one asked to see my book; the other didn't seem to care.

A lot of my magazine work has been European, so I get those just from my site. I want to overhaul the print book, though, since I've started making wet prints again. Someone needs to see them besides me! Plus, I want to match the branding to my site design, for that extra little touch. Anyway, this is getting off topic....

cbphoto · Dec 23, 2009

dancqu said:
Search posts for Talas. Some additional info
of Gudy 870. Only $26 from Talas. Dan

Thanks!

dancqu · Dec 23, 2009

Two more items: www.neschen.com will
take you to the source of the material.
Also Gudy 831 may be of interest. It
is more aggressive and tacky both
sides.

That does sound good, a foot x 33, $26.
I see that Neschen is associated with
Seal. Dan

GraemeMitchell · Dec 24, 2009

cbphoto, off topic, but it's a much much more interesting discussion than mounting adhesives.

Dan, the difference in "which for what?" btwn 831 and 870 was not clear, even when I called and asked sellers. Nothing really suggests that 831 is a stronger adhesive, but more that it's a stronger material in regards to weight, thickness, bending, etc - from what I could tell. That and it has carrier on both sides of the film. It'd prob be easier to work with and handle if you were doing large prints and using a cold press roller set up.

I'm a little surprised more people don't seem to be using this stuff. To me it seems like a nice solution.

dancqu · Dec 25, 2009

Gudy 870 Adhesive Transfer Rolls

GraemeMitchell said:
I'm a little surprised more people don't seem to be using
this stuff. To me it seems like a nice solution.

Available from Talas and other conservator supply outlets.
Gudy 870 has passed the PAT test; the photograph activity
test.

Lack of familiarity with the material is likely the reason for
it's little use by the silver gelatin community. Gudy 870 has
been around for some time. I've the impression other
crafts more so use it.

Adhesive methods which use heat just don't appeal to me.
Heat and great LE or 'archival', in my mind, contradict.
I doubt any hot sheet adhesive betters the cold Gudy
870 sheet adhesive at passing the PAT.

For myself I don't need a cumbersom to stow heavy
press to deal with. Not to mention the $$$. Dan

cbphoto · Dec 25, 2009

Sounds good. Will the Gudy hold down a fiber print that is trying to curl back up?

Also, I just noticed that Talas is in my neighborhood. Very cool.

Chazzy · Dec 26, 2009

Are these cold adhesives undoable, in case the mount board becomes contaminated for some reason?

GraemeMitchell · Dec 26, 2009

cbphoto said:
Sounds good. Will the Gudy hold down a fiber print that is trying to curl back up?

The inkjet paper I'm working with is WAY stiffer (almost paper board feeling) and has more aggressive curl (roll paper) than any fiber paper I've ever worked w/, so I'd say you'll be fine.

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