Group Purchase of 11x14 Color Neg. Film

lfloyd · Apr 27, 2006

Is anyone interested in a group purchase of 11x14 color negative film? I live in Rochester, NY and could act as a contact person to Kodak. When I contacted Kodak a few days ago they stated their minimum order was $10,000.00. This is certainly steep for me but perhaps we could pull it off.?

Robb Scharetg · May 4, 2006

Hi,

So how big a hurry are you in to buy this film? I'm interested, most likely looking for NC160. Any chance on E-6 in that size? And how many sheets for $10K?

Robb

User Removed · May 5, 2006

What are you printing these negatives on?

I shoot 11x14, and sometimes would shoot 4x5 color NC160...however, I was making prints on Fuji Crystal Archive and the Kodak RA-4 paper, and I dont think it would be worth it to create such a big negative just to print it on cheep RC color paper.

mark · May 5, 2006

Ryan, Maybe the answer to your silly question is: Because they want too. Is there a color paper that is not RC. WHy would you not use them to print color.

I have seen 8x10 color contact prints and they were luscious. I can only imagine what and 11x14 would look like. Good luck folks. I don't own an 11x14 but if I did this would be tempting.

lfloyd · May 5, 2006

Group Purchase 11x14 color neg

So far folks the info I have from Kodak is they will probably do a $10,000.00 special purchase run but we will have to work through a dealer. Kodak rep estimates roughly $190.00 for a box of ten sheets. Folks I'd do 14x17 if I could afford to. Anyway heres hoping there are more ULF'ers out there who want to see a larger than 8x10 mcontact color print.

User Removed · May 6, 2006

I know my question was silly, yes...but I am just wondering what color printing process people would be using. I know an 8x10, 11x14 contact is beautiful because I shoot both. However, I print those negatives on AZO and platinum, two processes that are archival and will last.

The reason why I stopped producing color work is because printing on paper such as Fuji Crystal Archive is the same as printing with an RC paper, and its only rated at 75-100 archival rating, if that!

I guess it just makes me sad to think that you can produce such a fine negative, but then have to settle for a cheep RC color print.

naturephoto1 · May 6, 2006

Ryan McIntosh said:
I know my question was silly, yes...but I am just wondering what color printing process people would be using. I know an 8x10, 11x14 contact is beautiful because I shoot both. However, I print those negatives on AZO and platinum, two processes that are archival and will last.

The reason why I stopped producing color work is because printing on paper such as Fuji Crystal Archive is the same as printing with an RC paper, and its only rated at 75-100 archival rating, if that!

I guess it just makes me sad to think that you can produce such a fine negative, but then have to settle for a cheep RC color print.

Ryan,

I am sorry that it disappoints you to have to print on the lowly Fuji Crystal Archive RC color paper. There are not many options open to the color printer. Color dyes do not have the life expectancy of B&W. It is unfortunate that the problems with the proprietary color pigment process and paper that EverColor Fine Art had been using was not something that could be solved. Those prints were beautiful (I only had 8 of one image made) and Henry Wilhelm's life expectancy estimates were for 250 to 500 years.

Those of us that are printing from transparencies only have a few options open to us. We can print on Ilfochrome or we can print via a big digital machine like a Chromira or a LightJet or an InkJet print. I can only say that my transparencies (primarily Fujichrome Velvia 50 and Provia 100 from 35mm Leica SLRs up to 4" x 5" Linhof) look beautiful. This version of the paper has the ability of accepting short duration of high number of lumens of light.

I can only presume that the papers used for conventional printing should also be beautiful. A print from an 11" x 14" negative or transparency printed to Fuji Crystal Archive Photo Paper via a Chromira or a LightJet machine would probably look extraordinary.

Rich

David A. Goldfarb · May 6, 2006

This is in the nature of most color media, photography aside. It seems narrow minded to fault anyone for wanting to work with color, just for reasons of archival stability. If archival stability is your ultimate concern, become an architect or a sculptor or maybe a poet.

mark · May 6, 2006

Narrow minded? More like arrogant.

User Removed · May 7, 2006

Sorry if I came off narrow minded or arrogant, not trying to come off that way. I'm just wonder what other options are out there for printing color, that are better then the current process I was using (traditional color enlarger on Fuji Crystal Archive and processing in RA-4 chemicals).

I would probably be interested in purchasing some if I knew of a process that was more archival and produced nicer prints then FCA paper.

Again, sorry if my post came over wrong. I just do not know much about color processes and I am interested in learning more.

Thanks.

JosBurke · May 7, 2006

Well sign me up--it's all about the contact print in that format and even on mighty low RC--again it's about the contact and I'm curious--The Polaroid 20x24 is always in the mags though the archival quality is very questionable and heck, if people are impressed by that low resolution then how about a real contact from 11x14 color film albeit on lowly RC. Sign me up---well count me in and lets see how it turns out!
I'll avoid all the bashing please--it's the weekend and Ryan's not offended me--maybe we just have a different perspective on the matter--simple enough!

User Removed · May 7, 2006

JosBurke said:
Well sign me up--it's all about the contact print in that format and even on mighty low RC--again it's about the contact and I'm curious--The Polaroid 20x24 is always in the mags though the archival quality is very questionable and heck, if people are impressed by that low resolution then how about a real contact from 11x14 color film albeit on lowly RC. Sign me up---well count me in and lets see how it turns out!
I'll avoid all the bashing please--it's the weekend and Ryan's not offended me--maybe we just have a different perspective on the matter--simple enough!

I sure hope I did not offend anyone with my intrest in different color processes. I'm not faulting anyone for wanting to print on a certain paper, I would never do that!

I'm just not a color photographer, and only have experience in color with F.C.A paper and RA-4 process, which I did not think was the best thing available at the time. I was just wondering how the people who would be interested in shoot ULF color would be printing their images. I don't doubt the quality of an 11x14 contact print, I know they would be absolutly beautiful whatever they were printing on. Basically, I'm just wondering if Fuji C.A. and inkjet prints are the only options one would have.

Thanks

David A. Goldfarb · May 7, 2006

Options for printing color negs would be Fuji Crystal Archive and Kodak Endura, inkjet, there are one or two people still doing dye transfer, color carbon for the very industrious, Fresson for those who like it and can afford it and are accepted, and Ilfochrome via digital or interpositive I suppose. I've seen some great multilayer gum prints as well--I think these were 6-color separations from slide film.

I've seen great results on Fuji Crystal Archive by LightJet, Chromira, and traditional projection printing. Like anything, the skill of the printer is usually more of a limiting factor than the potential of the material.

jimcollum · Jun 17, 2006

count me in for color 11x14.. preferably negative

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