Greetings to all from Egypt

mohmad khatab · May 3, 2019

welcome everybody ,,
God bless everyone
I am Mohammed from Egypt, I am an analog photographer, I was an old member of this long-standing forum, but because of the circumstances of some special circumstances, I have not been able to communicate with the brothers here,
I really feel very remorseful for my interruption of that long period.
In fact I am currently ordering complicated circumstances at that stage of my life,
I know that this forum (almost) is not free and requires a subscription fee, but in fact I currently can not pay any money because of my complicated circumstances.
* I have a demand and hope from everyone, if this requirement is fulfilled, I will pledge (in front of God) and in front of everyone to support this forum of the old percentage of my annual profits and I swear to you on that.
* I will participate in the Forum and I will pay the subscription fee and I will donate a percentage of my annual profits for this forum.
* I am an original Arab man and not a fake, when I swear and pledge a covenant I will certainly implement it.

The requirement is:
I want the Formula for the following operations:
The following order is of importance.
AP-70
AP-44
E.6
C41

In fact, to be honest with you, I am currently (almost) unemployed,
Therefore, I would like to get my livelihood from re-installing these materials and selling them in the Egyptian market,
If you help me get this requirement I will be very thankful to you and I will definitely support this forum as promised.

God bless you all

AgX · May 3, 2019

Welcome to Apug!

-) writing in English would certainly be benefitial in getting replies.

-) You inquire in a way it seems you are lacking the least idea on these processes and thus not only the actual formula.
Have you really investigated into the market for your products in Egypt?

mohmad khatab · May 3, 2019

mohmad khatab said:
Thank you for your courteous reply

You can not say that I'm out to any idea about operations,
I have a reasonable idea but I am not an expert man.
I'm probably a fairly experienced amateur.

Yes my friend - I have done a thorough survey of the Egyptian market
I have also done an in-depth study of the Egyptian market,
There is no local store (currently) selling those products.
Any amateur photographer must buy only online, which is not available to all Egyptian citizens due to the low local currency price and therefore there are many restrictions on the online purchase.
God bless you

AgX · May 3, 2019

Well, you listed differently branded processes, which are interchangable. A ranking between those does not make sense.

What would you offer AP-41 for? The respective films have been cancelled in 1981.

mohmad khatab · May 3, 2019

AgX said:
Well, you listed differently branded processes, which are interchangable. A ranking between those does not make sense.

What would you offer AP-41 for? The respective films have been cancelled in 1981.

My dear brother.
Can you have the qualities of the gentleman in your reply?
- regardless of the formula (Ap- 41). Around them different opinions.

- I asked for the formula (C41) and if it is not available the corresponding alternative is the formula (Ap - 70). Perhaps that last formula is in the hands of one of the brothers in the forum.

The same applies to E6 and AP-44.

- What is your problem, my brother - is your only goal is to only reprimand me?
- If you want to help me, I thank you and if you do not want to help me, I wish you a little silence. You have no right to deal with me in that arrogant tone.

removed account4 · May 3, 2019

Here is a link to some information about making
a C41 developer from scratch, towards the bottom
there is another link to follow with more information
https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/color-developer-experiment.60821/#post-870750
If you look at this forum: https://www.photrio.com/forum/forums/color-film-paper-and-chemistry.86/
look for posts by "Photo Engineer" and "Athiril" they are very well versed in the chemicals and
home made developers for a variety of uses.

Kodachromeguy · May 3, 2019

Here is a 1996 Kodak brochure on the specifications for ECN2 for motion picture films:

https://www.kodak.com/uploadedfiles/motion/h2407.pdf

This is a complicated process, and on one page, I saw a mention of titanium tanks. (Ouch, expensive.) Were AP44, AP41, and AP70 chemical processes used for older forms of motion picture film? Good luck with your project.

AgX · May 4, 2019

Kodachromeguy said:
Were AP44, AP41, and AP70 chemical processes used for older forms of motion picture film? Good luck with your project.

All three are Agfa Processes:

AP 70 = C 41
AP 44 = E 6
AP 41 = process for reversal film based on the Agfacolor coupler embedding, in contrast to the Ektachrome one; obsolete for about 40 years.

AgX · May 4, 2019

mohmad khatab said:
My dear brother.
Can you have the qualities of the gentleman in your reply?

You have no right to deal with me in that arrogant tone.

Well, you

-) posted in Arabic, a language hardly anyone in this international forum can read let alone understand. I call that arrogant.
And it rather made me think of the common scams showing up here. Thus my harsh questioning.

-) you stated your intention to start a business. From a budding businessman I expect more homework having done in advance before asking for help, than a average amateur.

-) as I showed you are lacking the basic idea behind the processes you listed and thus cannot have done the preliminary research you claimed

mohmad khatab · May 4, 2019

jnantz said:
Here is a link to some information about making
a C41 developer from scratch, towards the bottom
there is another link to follow with more information
https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/color-developer-experiment.60821/#post-870750
If you look at this forum: https://www.photrio.com/forum/forums/color-film-paper-and-chemistry.86/
look for posts by "Photo Engineer" and "Athiril" they are very well versed in the chemicals and
home made developers for a variety of uses.

* Thank you very much my dear brother
God bless you

mohmad khatab · May 4, 2019

Kodachromeguy said:
Here is a 1996 Kodak brochure on the specifications for ECN2 for motion picture films:

https://www.kodak.com/uploadedfiles/motion/h2407.pdf

This is a complicated process, and on one page, I saw a mention of titanium tanks. (Ouch, expensive.) Were AP44, AP41, and AP70 chemical processes used for older forms of motion picture film? Good luck with your project.

* Thank you very much my dear brother
God bless you

mohmad khatab · May 4, 2019

AgX said:
All three are Agfa Processes:

AP 70 = C 41
AP 44 = E 6
AP 41 = process for reversal film based on the Agfacolor coupler embedding, in contrast to the Ektachrome one; obsolete for about 40 years.

Yes, your words are pretty true.
In fact I read a blog in this article
http://analoguephotolab.com/agfa-process-41/
As I understand from this article, that process may have been slightly modified in order to be compatible with the E6 -
- Yes, maybe I misunderstood the article.
- Well I will delete that process from the list
Thank you God bless you .

mohmad khatab · May 4, 2019

AgX said:
Well, you

-) posted in Arabic, a language hardly anyone in this international forum can read let alone understand. I call that arrogant.
And it rather made me think of the common scams showing up here. Thus my harsh questioning.

-) you stated your intention to start a business. From a budding businessman I expect more homework having done in advance before asking for help, than a average amateur.

-) as I showed you are lacking the basic idea behind the processes you listed and thus cannot have done the preliminary research you claimed

Hello brother.
In fact I did not mean to publish the subject in Arabic, it was an unintended mistake,
Although Arabic is the official language of the United Nations, it is not the language of a small tribe living in the jungles of Africa, a language known to 1.8 billion people in the world,
Despite all of this, I swear to you that I did not mean to publish the subject in Arabic, it happened only by chance,
- Google Chrome browser was the reason, because he translated the subject before publishing, this is an unintended error.
.
- I am from Egypt - a photographer who corresponds to an experienced amateur, I am 44 years old,
- Given that the analog imaging community in Egypt has been somewhat active in recent years, it noted that there is a great difficulty in providing various chemicals due to restrictions on the importation of chemicals in general and also restrictions on online purchases.

- So I came up with the idea of the idea of myself and some of my colleagues, that is to try to build a small laboratory whose goal is the construction and synthesis of photographic acids from zero
- So I'm out of Formula for different operations, whether C41, Ap70, E6 or Ap44.

Basically, my goal was not to set up a business. My goal is only to help my fellow photographers get the chemicals at a reasonable price. You know very well how economic conditions in Egypt have become. Therefore, purchasing Kit online requires a month's salary for a worker. .

This made the majority of photographers move away from their hobbies gradually.
- When I offered this to my friend, a professional chemist, the man agreed to help us in this field, but it would take some money to buy the raw chemicals from the authorized state company and also to pay for the chemists ) Who will help us in these research, and pay (rent the chemical laboratory and its contents of the devices we need, such as de-ionizer of water, sensitive balance, etc.).

- All of the above will require payment of money,

- Personally, I am currently almost without work, and I will devote myself fully to this project, so what is the thing that I do not get a small profit margin !!

God bless you

AgX · May 4, 2019

If you look deeper into Apug/Photrio you will realize that there are hardly any members from Arabia, recently a new member from Israel was kind of kicked out for allegedly stirring up emotions... This forum is dominated by fellows from the USA, countered to some extend by some Europeans.

The issue of supply of processing kits is a worldwide one. At least the moment one needs overseas shipping the trouble already starts, due to transport restrictions. Shipping costs and duties aside.

Here in Europe already it is becoming more and more difficult to obtain raw chemicals as a private person, as there are hardly anymore local chemicals supply stores and selling restrictions are growing.

For kits to offer, have a look what (European) dealers offer at small scale. Look also into the widely discussed matters of Blix vs. Bleach&Fixer and the issue of writing good manuals.

AgX · May 4, 2019

Depending on scale you intend to achieve you have to decide whether to blend and bottle the stuff yourself in own premises or to give at least the blending task to an industrial lab as a small scale job. You only would have to hand them the formulae and special chemicals. This would save you from quite some hassle and assures you of the needed quality. Such a firm might even be beneficial in importing the needed special raw chemicals for you.

ced · May 4, 2019

Hello and welcome to this site! You seem to have gotten off on the wrong footing with some readers, try toning down a bit.
I hope you could put aside all the "brother & god" in your postings.
Maybe for your project, jump on a bus to your dear neighbour (Israel) and there you could probably find all the things you need to complete your search. Good Luck!

naaldvoerder · May 4, 2019

Welcome from Holland.

Taking a bus to Israël might not be so easy as it sounds. And let's anyone chose his nomenclature as long as nobody is offended. I can see the case for some diy-entrepreneurship in Egypt, however difficult. From recent experience I found the country full of incredibly welcoming people, quite a few of them struggling with economic stagnation, in part due to the fact that tourism is not florishing as the country deserves.
Unfortunately I know virtually nothing of color processes. Exclusively black and white.
Good luck anywhy.

P.S.

Mohmad, it might be fun to know that my avatar was taken by a fellow countryman of yours some 25 years ago in Tahid square, in front of the big gouverment building. This olddish fellow was firmly pre-digital and had both "darkroom" and camera in a big woorden box on a tripod. He had my friend and I photographed and printed in a matter of minutes. After that we all had some tea.

John Koehrer · May 20, 2019

Hi Mohmad,
I don't think AGX meant anything personal with his note. Over the years I've found that different peoples have different taboos
but this site is quite welcoming to new people. With communication like this it's very hard to understand people. I have to see
a person speaking to really understand their body language what their meaning is. Sometimes I'll sound sarcastic but it's not.

Cholentpot · May 20, 2019

naaldvoerder said:
Welcome from Holland.

Taking a bus to Israël might not be so easy as it sounds. And let's anyone chose his nomenclature as long as nobody is offended. I can see the case for some diy-entrepreneurship in Egypt, however difficult. From recent experience I found the country full of incredibly welcoming people, quite a few of them struggling with economic stagnation, in part due to the fact that tourism is not florishing as the country deserves.
Unfortunately I know virtually nothing of color processes. Exclusively black and white.
Good luck anywhy.

P.S.

Mohmad, it might be fun to know that my avatar was taken by a fellow countryman of yours some 25 years ago in Tahid square, in front of the big gouverment building. This olddish fellow was firmly pre-digital and had both "darkroom" and camera in a big woorden box on a tripod. He had my friend and I photographed and printed in a matter of minutes. After that we all had some tea.

I took a bus from Elat down to Egypt back in oh...2004? '05? Had a great week in Egypt, no-one really cared what country or religion I followed. However, an Egyptian man driving up to Israel and buying chemicals might not go over so well.

Good luck cousin.

Eric Rose · May 20, 2019

Welcome from Canada. Ag is from Germany so he can't help himself lol

Trail Images · May 20, 2019

Hello and welcome to the Photrio site........

mohmad khatab · Jun 5, 2019

AgX said:
If you look deeper into Apug/Photrio you will realize that there are hardly any members from Arabia, recently a new member from Israel was kind of kicked out for allegedly stirring up emotions... This forum is dominated by fellows from the USA, countered to some extend by some Europeans.

The issue of supply of processing kits is a worldwide one. At least the moment one needs overseas shipping the trouble already starts, due to transport restrictions. Shipping costs and duties aside.

Here in Europe already it is becoming more and more difficult to obtain raw chemicals as a private person, as there are hardly anymore local chemicals supply stores and selling restrictions are growing.

For kits to offer, have a look what (European) dealers offer at small scale. Look also into the widely discussed matters of Blix vs. Bleach&Fixer and the issue of writing good manuals.

Good evening to everyone
God bless you all .

Thank you very much to the esteemed Mr. AgX

I have been a member of this great forum since 2004, but for some reason my email was lost, so I lost my account for a long time until I created it. Another account .
- I love and respect all human beings of all nationalities and put aside emotions partly if talking about culture, arts and hobbies, these things can bring us together.
God bless you
- In fact I am very happy, I love Germany very much, I am a passionate lover of Agfa, Leica and Contax.
- I wanted to tell you with very important information, I do not have a relationship with the Arabian Peninsula, I am an Egyptian man and Egypt is a country where everyone knows its place,
So if you go on a trip between galaxies and distant planets and get friends from those planets, if one day you want to invite one of these friends to Earth, you may not recognize our planet unless you tell it to be that planet that contains pyramids.
- Egypt is not just a point on the map, never.
- God created Egypt first and then proceeded to create the rest of the planet.
- Regarding chemicals and their availability, I am optimistic about this. The restrictions in Egypt are somewhat lower than in Europe.
Welcome, dear brother.

mohmad khatab · Jun 5, 2019

naaldvoerder said:
Welcome from Holland.

Taking a bus to Israël might not be so easy as it sounds. And let's anyone chose his nomenclature as long as nobody is offended. I can see the case for some diy-entrepreneurship in Egypt, however difficult. From recent experience I found the country full of incredibly welcoming people, quite a few of them struggling with economic stagnation, in part due to the fact that tourism is not florishing as the country deserves.
Unfortunately I know virtually nothing of color processes. Exclusively black and white.
Good luck anywhy.

P.S.

Mohmad, it might be fun to know that my avatar was taken by a fellow countryman of yours some 25 years ago in Tahid square, in front of the big gouverment building. This olddish fellow was firmly pre-digital and had both "darkroom" and camera in a big woorden box on a tripod. He had my friend and I photographed and printed in a matter of minutes. After that we all had some tea.

Good evening my dear brother
I apologize for the late reply where I was ill.
God bless you
- I love and respect the Netherlands people,
- In fact I do not understand what you mean by bus and Israel, I do not understand the meaning of this talk.
- I also did not understand the word "my avatar".
- It seems that you visit Egypt from time to time, welcome to you at any time - I live next to the pyramids directly, the distance between me and the pyramids only 850 meters. I wish you could communicate with me when you come to my country, the attached picture I got from the top of the roof of the house.
Greetings to you and to all the people of the Netherlands

mohmad khatab · Jun 5, 2019

ced said:
Hello and welcome to this site! You seem to have gotten off on the wrong footing with some readers, try toning down a bit.
I hope you could put aside all the "brother & god" in your postings.
Maybe for your project, jump on a bus to your dear neighbour (Israel) and there you could probably find all the things you need to complete your search. Good Luck!

Good evening my dear brother
I apologize for the late reply where I was ill.
God bless you
The establishment of the tram in collaboration with a Belgian company at the beginning of the last century also built and built the suburb of Heliopolis with the knowledge of the Baron / Imban, https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Édouard_Louis_Joseph_Empain

- In fact I do not understand what you mean by bus and Israel, I do not understand the meaning of this talk.
- I do not need anything from any neighbors, Egypt has 98% of the required materials, and the rest of the material I have in China beloved.

Greetings to you and to all the respected people of Belgium.

Theo Sulphate · Jun 5, 2019

mohmad khatab said:
...
I live next to the pyramids directly, the distance between me and the pyramids only 850 meters ... the attached picture I got from the top of the roof of the house.
...

Welcome, Mohmad. Thank you for sharing that photo with us; you are fortunate to be living in an area of such high historical and cultural importance.

I am Hungarian; on my father's side of the family we are all from Hungary. However, my mother's side is from Syria - I have relatives both in Syria and in Lebanon. Sadly, I will probably never be able to visit in Syria now.

On August 2, 2027 there will be a very long solar eclipse (6 minutes, 23 seconds) in Egypt, in al-Uqsur (الأقصر‎) - I plan to be there with my cameras!

Greetings to all from Egypt

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