Grauflasche

Ballinderry-Michael · Feb 3, 2020

I'm studying the Adox data sheet for their Adotech IV developer. In the section on the chemistry's stability, the word Graufläsche appears. Does it refer to metal containers in general; or has it some specific meaning in this context? I can't find the word in any of my dictionaries, including Duden.

ArgentixCa · Feb 3, 2020

Could it be Graue Fläche, for gray tones, or gray areas?

AgX · Feb 3, 2020

These words do not exist.

It would have been helpful if you had not twice written something else than printed in that data sheet...

As Argentix indicated, it says "Grauflächen", which means areas of grey.

Ballinderry-Michael · Feb 3, 2020

ArgentixCa said:
Could it be Graue Fläche, for gray tones, or gray areas?

You're right, of course; though they print Graufläche. I was mis-reading, as the previous sentence was about storage.

Thank you very much.

(Incidentally, the word "Grauflasche" does exist. You can google it).

AgX · Feb 3, 2020

ArgentixCa said:
Could it be Graue Fläche?

In german photgraphic terminology we got a fixed term in form of the respective compositum Graufläche, similarily composed as other terms as Graukarte and Grauton.

But indeed, the respective paragraph has it about chemical stability within the bottle of concentrate. The next sentence then is about Schlieren. And with erroneusly reading that words as grey bottle instead the text still seems to make some sense... funny. If being a non-native speaker I might not even have noticed that I got it wrong...

AgX · Feb 3, 2020

More relevant:

I wonder that a manufacturer as Adox who even presents his web shop offers in English, offers worldwide shipping, has not got English data sheets.

Raghu Kuvempunagar · Feb 3, 2020

AgX said:
More relevant:

I wonder that a manufacturer as Adox who even presents his web shop offers in English, offers worldwide shipping, has not got English data sheets.

Sadly the datasheet doesn't give the characteristic curve of Adox CMS 20 ii. Any idea where can I find the curve as well as maximum possible density for this film?

RauschenOderKorn · Feb 3, 2020

Ballinderry-Michael said:
(Incidentally, the word "Grauflasche" does exist. You can google it).

well, you can combine a colour (grau - grey) and a noun (Flasche - bottle) to one word in German, which then simply means grey bottle. Nevertheless the possibility of forming a grammatically correct word this way, does not mean the the word makes sense or is used in any way. Google results directed me to “graue Flasche” (two words), so it tries to give a synthetic word context and sense, while not really recognising it.

If you look for information on a German word, google is not the best place to search. If it is a good German word, you’d find it in the “Duden”: www.duden.de which does not know it.

Dj cooler martin · Feb 3, 2020

In that paragraph they are comparing Adotech IV to its predecessors. The Sentence "Außerdem weist er eine..." means "Also it is more stable / robust against straks in homogenous grey areas

AgX · Feb 3, 2020

RauschenOderKorn said:
well, you can combine a colour (grau - grey) and a noun (Flasche - bottle) to one word in German, which then simply means grey bottle.

If you look for information on a German word, google is not the best place to search. If it is a good German word, you’d find it in the “Duden”: www.duden.de which does not know it.

But so far I have never seen a grey bottle (only ones in colour or black and white) , so I considered it inexistant in common language.

On the other side on cannot necessarily expect all phototechnical terms to be found in the Duden.

Ballinderry-Michael · Feb 3, 2020

Raghu Kuvempunagar said:
Sadly the datasheet doesn't give the characteristic curve of Adox CMS 20 ii. Any idea where can I find the curve as well as maximum possible density for this film?

The first post in the thread https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/adox-cms-20-ii-adotech-ii-some-experimental-results.120993/ gives the poster's own curve.

Ballinderry-Michael · Feb 3, 2020

RauschenOderKorn said:
well, you can combine a colour (grau - grey) and a noun (Flasche - bottle) to one word in German, which then simply means grey bottle. Nevertheless the possibility of forming a grammatically correct word this way, does not mean the the word makes sense or is used in any way. Google results directed me to “graue Flasche” (two words), so it tries to give a synthetic word context and sense, while not really recognising it.

If you look for information on a German word, google is not the best place to search. If it is a good German word, you’d find it in the “Duden”: www.duden.de which does not know it.

As my original post said, I had tried Duden (it was my first resource). A Google search produced http://www.co2-tankstelle.de/propanflaschengas.html , which seems to be a genuine German website and contains my word: that helped to fool me.

Anyway, I am clear now on the developer's stability (and also, by the way, on the instruction that it should not be refrigerated).

Raghu Kuvempunagar · Feb 4, 2020

Ballinderry-Michael said:
The first post in the thread https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/adox-cms-20-ii-adotech-ii-some-experimental-results.120993/ gives the poster's own curve.

Thanks for sharing this thread. As the current version of the developer, Adotech iv, is supposedly a significant improvement over version ii, it would be nice to see the curve with the current version too. It's a little strange that Adox doesn't provide one in its datasheet.

twelvetone12 · Feb 4, 2020

I had to read this thread three times to spot the difference between Graufläche and Graufläsche... I normally use deepl.com for translating to and from German, it works remarkably well.

jtk · Feb 5, 2020

It's a wonderful language...

AgX · Feb 5, 2020

Well, you have not heard me speaking fast and mumbling...
You neither heard me speaking English. You lucky guy. Each language can be spoiled...

twelvetone12 · Feb 5, 2020

Deutsch ist in der Tat eine schöne Sprache. Jetzt sollten Sie Schweizerdeutsch hören...
I"m not kidding, I actually like the German language a lot, even if my German is horrid

Doremus Scudder · Feb 5, 2020

There is no word "Graufläsche" in regular High German (it does appear in a dialect or two though...) Note that "ä" is not "a" even though Google thinks they are the same. Flasche = bottle. Fläche = surface (Fläsche is not a regular word).

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