RidingWaves said:What would be the conversion for Agfa 8 if you were to replace the Potassium Carbonate with Sodium Carbonate?
sanking said:Just for the record, I have found that Ansco 130 has
very good keeping qualities, and gives great results with
AZO. Unless you need water bath control of course.
Sandy King
RidingWaves said:So would sodium carbonate work in Agfa 8? 25g does not seem that much.
dancqu said:Tom mentioned water bath control with Amidol but you
say not with Glycin. Do you suppose that has to do with
the low and the high ph at which the two work. I know
Glycin requires at least a carbonate but at just what
ph are users using Amidol? Dan
dancqu said:Tom mentioned water bath control with Amidol but you
say not with Glycin. Do you suppose that has to do with
the low and the high ph at which the two work. I know
Glycin requires at least a carbonate but at just what
ph are users using Amidol? Dan
Para-hydroxyphenyl glycine (glycine-photo) can be reduced and purified using hydrosulfite in the presence of ammonia. It is enough just to boil the glycine solution with the addition of ammonia (10/4) and a small amount of bisulfite (metabisulfite). After cooling and filtration, add 30-40% bisulfite solution - crystals of pure para-hydroxyphenyl glycine will precipitate.
I tried out Agfa/Ansco 72 today:
800 mL water (52C)
125g Sodium Sulfite, anhydrous
250g Potassium Carbonate
50g Glycin
Water to make 1L
Agfa gives times/dilutions that are way too intense for modern films. They suggest 1+5 for 20-25 min, or 1+4 for 5 min.
I tried it on HP5+ and I had to cut down dilution to 1+19, for 5 min, and got spot on negatives. 5-7 min would be a useful starting bracket.
Even at 1+19, your working solution (1l) has 2.5g glycin, 12.5g carbonate and 6.25g of sulfite. Compare this with the working solution (1l) of GSD-10 which has 1g glycin, 7.5g carbonate and 5g of sulfite. So 1+49 might work right albeit with increased developing time. It would save a lot of chemistry for sure.
Call me a stick in the mud, but if you're setting off to mix up something new, try some tried and true formulae, and see what they do before venturing off into the unknown.
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In principle, correct. Bisulfite gives acidic pH. Ammonia, on the other hand, is alkaline. Plus, SO2 is a reducing agent.Wouldn't this require vacuum distillation or something else a bit more involved? Specifically the glycin that precipitates would be soluble in the solution... or do you mean to add enough bisulfite solution to make the solution neutral and thus the glycin insoluble?
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