Glossy paper for Platinum/palladium

photo8x10 · Oct 9, 2005

Hello, to everyone,
I'm a italian contact printer that I usually use for my work AZO paper, it's a bit of time that I've been trying pt/pl print for my 5x7 works using 320-cot paper with a good result.
I would like to know if there are in the market some glossy papers for pl/pt prints or like I've seen you this forum like to use FB paper to coat pl/pt emulsion but I din't realize like to do it.
Thank for every your advice

Best

Stefano

Photo Engineer · Oct 9, 2005

There is supposedly an Italian company that makes a fibre based baryta coated paper that might work for you. I have been unable to contact them. You might have better luck.

I have not been able to locate any reliable contacts for this company, or reliable addresses. It could be that they are no longer functional, but it may be that they once supplied Ferrania.

PE

nick mulder · Oct 9, 2005

does this thread help at all ??

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

photo8x10 · Oct 9, 2005

In Italy at the moment it's impossible to find pl/pd coated paper because there isn't interested in it, Ferrania should be works and I know some dealer but it dosen't make pl/pd paper coated.
I saw the reply that you send me with the link, it's very interesting, and I read it, but there are some parts in it that I didn't understand.
1) How many drops od Tween I should use?
2) How can I undestand when it is the emulsion right coated?
3) How can I have the booklet of this method?

Best

Stefano

Photo Engineer · Oct 9, 2005

I have found my reference.

Try Ecco in Firenze, telephone 055-571282.

They supposedly have a baryta only paper for coating on. If you have any luck, please share your information. The abbreviated catalog they sent me was only for pre-coated photo papers.

PE

Jorge · Oct 9, 2005

Photo Engineer said:
I have found my reference.

Try Ecco in Firenze, telephone 055-571282.

They supposedly have a baryta only paper for coating on. If you have any luck, please share your information. The abbreviated catalog they sent me was only for pre-coated photo papers.

PE

I would be interested on this too......

photo8x10 · Oct 10, 2005

Thanks for your information,
I'll try to phone to Ecco in Florence (I live near Florence more and less 15 KM) so maybe I'll be able to go there.
When I'm having news I'll post it.

Best

Stefano

nze · Oct 10, 2005

Hi All

I make some platinum on Baryt coated paper. I get some from Bergger who can supply everyone interested in getting some paper without silver.
But I also use other paper I bought and then fix and wash and get better easier result. I then give an acid bath to the un silvered bergger paper and thing turn ar the other paper.
Easy coating and drying, and no need to double coat. So what ever the paper I use I should give it a bath.

An intersting paer is the Kentmere classic. It has a really different llok comapre to other FB Paper.

photo8x10 · Oct 10, 2005

Hi Nze,
thanks for your advice, I would like to know your method about also the acid that for silvered berrger paper.
I tried to coating a FB paper, fixed and washed, but with one good result and one worst.
I'm interested in baryt coated paper to use in my platinum/palladium prints.

Best

Stefano

User Removed · Oct 10, 2005

I suggest using your normal paper, and hand waxing/buffing the paper when it dries. You can use Dorlands Wax Medium, which can be found at any art store. You simpled put a glob on the paper, and sorta massage it in with your fingers, then take a lint free cloth or soft paper towel and buff it out like you would when waxing a car. It will dry to a hard glossy finish, and will not change to tone/color ect of the image. It also protects the surface.

If you want EXACT instructions on how to do this, send me a PM and I will tell you.

Ryan McIntosh

Photo Engineer · Oct 10, 2005

The only uncoated Bergger paper we can get here is COT320 which has no Baryta coating on it, only a gelatin subcoat. This is good paper, but not the same as having the Baryta layer.

Baryta improves whiteness and improves sharpness.

PE

Kai Hamann · Oct 10, 2005

Hello,

I´ve got unsensitized Bergger Baryta paper llying around too. On the envelope is a sticker that reads "Museum weight glossy" and "25 11x14 in". I tried to make Cyanotypes on it but the first test was not successful -- the seizing seems to be tanned too strong by the exposed sensitizer and the image falls in pieces from the paper.

An alternative that could be interesting is (older) Ilford inkjet paper. The Ilford SMGP7NL on rolls is a RC Paper with a simple gelatine coating as far as I know. That stuff gets really sticky when wet so I think the gelatine is not hardened. Just for the records: Cyanotyping on it has similar problems like on the Bergger Baryta.

Cheers
Kai Hamann

mikewhi · Oct 10, 2005

Kai Hamann said:
Hello,

I´ve got unsensitized Bergger Baryta paper llying around too. On the envelope is a sticker that reads "Museum weight glossy" and "25 11x14 in". I tried to make Cyanotypes on it but the first test was not successful -- the seizing seems to be tanned too strong by the exposed sensitizer and the image falls in pieces from the paper.

An alternative that could be interesting is (older) Ilford inkjet paper. The Ilford SMGP7NL on rolls is a RC Paper with a simple gelatine coating as far as I know. That stuff gets really sticky when wet so I think the gelatine is not hardened. Just for the records: Cyanotyping on it has similar problems like on the Bergger Baryta.

Cheers
Kai Hamann

Hi:

Do you know if this unsensitized Bergger Baryta paper can still be purchased anywhere? There are people on this site who are good at coating unsensitized Baryta paper with platinum\palladium and they might like to give this a try. I do recall some years back that a company was selling this type of paper with a minimum order of a case. I could not recall if it was Bergger or not.

Does anyone know who the U.S. distributor is?

THanks.

-Mike

Photo Engineer · Oct 10, 2005

You can get the COT320 from the Formulary or direct from Bergger. I just bought 2 11x14 packs of 20 sheets directly from Bergger. Earlier this year, I bought some 8x10 from the Formulary. At that time, they did not have the 11x14 so I went direct to Bergger.

I have found that the original order of 8x10 accepts an emulsion coating differently than the newer 11x14. The 11x14 repels the gelatin more than the original 8x10 sheets, and the new 11x14 is in a white package whereas the 8x10 is in a brown pack with a different Bergger logo on it.

Both are quite good, but the newer batch is just not quite as good IMHO.

PE

mikewhi · Oct 10, 2005

Photo Engineer said:
You can get the COT320 from the Formulary or direct from Bergger. I just bought 2 11x14 packs of 20 sheets directly from Bergger. Earlier this year, I bought some 8x10 from the Formulary. At that time, they did not have the 11x14 so I went direct to Bergger.

I have found that the original order of 8x10 accepts an emulsion coating differently than the newer 11x14. The 11x14 repels the gelatin more than the original 8x10 sheets, and the new 11x14 is in a white package whereas the 8x10 is in a brown pack with a different Bergger logo on it.

Both are quite good, but the newer batch is just not quite as good IMHO.

PE

Can you give me the contact info for Bergger?

Thanks.

-Mike

Peter Schrager · Oct 10, 2005

Bergger

Bergger:John Horowy
815-282-9876
sales@bergger.com
Try the above Mike
Best, Peter

mikewhi · Oct 10, 2005

Thanks. I got hold of John and had a nice discussion with him. I have started a new thread that should be of interest to everyone on this thread. Please jump in and make comments:

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

-Mike

psvensson · Oct 20, 2005

McPhotoX said:
I suggest using your normal paper, and hand waxing/buffing the paper when it dries. You can use Dorlands Wax Medium, which can be found at any art store. You simpled put a glob on the paper, and sorta massage it in with your fingers, then take a lint free cloth or soft paper towel and buff it out like you would when waxing a car. It will dry to a hard glossy finish, and will not change to tone/color ect of the image. It also protects the surface.

I just tried this on a cyanotype on Crane's 90lb, and it worked well! Looks nice, kind of like airdried glossy fiber, and deepens the maximum density.

Since Dorland's comes in a big tub and I wanted a small amount to try first, I got Gamblin Wax Medium instead. I was told it's about the same.

Glossy paper for Platinum/palladium

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