But what are you if you order a cheese pizza and then add your own embellishments and pop it into a hot oven briefly before eating it?
Ordering a pizza with your favourite toppings doesn't make you a chef.
Guys, with all due respect - the question is not whether AI-gen imagery is art, photography etc. The question is, if we allow it in a place on this forum, will it break the entire forum?
Good that you've brought it up as that's not at all what this is about. This is really about us noticing that some people start to have an interest in AI and we are considering whether and/or how to make some space for that.It would no longer be exclusively a Photography (Drawing with light) forum it would be a forum designed, like most of these AI jobs, to maximize profit for the holding company.
Guys, with all due respect - the question is not whether AI-gen imagery is art, photography etc. The question is, if we allow it in a place on this forum, will it break the entire forum?
Lazy, pressed for time?But what are you if you order a cheese pizza and then add your own embellishments and pop it into a hot oven briefly before eating it?
Good that you've brought it up as that's not at all what this is about. This is really about us noticing that some people start to have an interest in AI and we are considering whether and/or how to make some space for that.
I just want to pump the brakes and clarify things before assumptions get made, rehashed, reposted, misunderstood etc.
There is currently no formal proposal to the community that this be implemented. Someone asked the question and people are debating it and sharing their views on it, that is all.
There is an AI forum here on Photrio that was recently added a few weeks ago to somewhat house these topics:
AI in Photography and Other Arts
People can post a thread on generative AI or techniques and results there if they like (if anyone wants to ignore that forum they can), or there is the social groups area if someone wants to start their own group for 100% AI generated work they can (similar to how someone could start a group for 'Classic Ford Mustangs' if they wanted to).
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This is a sentiment that we definitely have taken note of. At the same time, we acknowledge that many people participating in this forum would rather exclude AI-generated content from it altogether. As said, we're discussing how to deal with this issue and the contrasting views it involves.
In the meantime, I'll change the thread title so it encompasses this topic; I think there's a lot more people who would want to have a say on it, so perhaps we should put some focus on it.
rather than not allowing ai, I vote for transparency and propose a clear marker that an image is AI-created or modified. a marker, I often see used isone similar to the one Adobe uses. I attached my version of it. I use it to clearly identify an AI-created or manipulated image. Transparency over exclusion!
I would be interested to hear from Mr Lambrecht, specifically, why he thinks AI images belong on Photrio.
You are avoiding the central question...are AI images photographs.rather than not allowing ai, I vote for transparency and propose a clear marker that an image is AI-created or modified. a marker, I often see used isone similar to the one Adobe uses. I attached my version of it. I use it to clearly identify an AI-created or manipulated image. Transparency over exclusion!
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rather than not allowing ai, I vote for transparency and propose a clear marker that an image is AI-created or modified. a marker, I often see used isone similar to the one Adobe uses. I attached my version of it. I use it to clearly identify an AI-created or manipulated image. Transparency over exclusion!
Lazy, pressed for time?
It boils down to...I'm interested in the equipment and materials in making photographs.
People do not make AI images, they relinquish the effort to someone else's computer program.
You are avoiding the central question...are AI images photographs.
Suggestive prompts to an algorithm without the use of a camera or light sensitive material are hardly photographs, they are Artificial Intelligence Generated Images...AIGI's.
If I sent rough sketches to the painting lab at Al-Go-Rithm-Painting.com for the final 'art work' to be painted, could I enter it into a juried show as my own painting?Not necessarily. My granddaughter made a fun video with pictures she took of her brother and their dog and the dog was dancing to music. Not art by any stretch but it was from still photos that she took with her phone. My guess is that some photographers will incorporate “legitimate photographs” with some form of Ai to create new art forms. As materials and techniques change so does art. Charcoal and pigment on cave walls to ink on parchment to paint on wood and canvases to different forms of photography etc. So it goes. Enjoy.
By your definition, they are not photographs, but I like to expand your definition to 'images' because your definition wouldn't include PS-manipulated photographs, either, and to me, that's too confining.
This is in no way a defence of PS images, but much like Jerry Ueslmann, people producing such work would be using their own photographs.By your definition, they are not photographs, but I like to expand your definition to 'images' because your definition wouldn't include PS-manipulated photographs, either, and to me, that's too confining.
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I do not think there are any photography websites that cater-to AI generated photorealistic images other than "me-mes" on social media. It might be a good idea just have another box-two-click at the top of the paige so people don't get offended (maybe that is why the 3 boxes are there?). This could be a gargantuan-draw for a growing groop who would happily pay to exibbit their cool AI Photos. real pictures or not AI pictures can be fun too look at.
I could not disagree more. AI generated imagery is NOT photography!! I'm astonished that anyone could think of AI content as being equivalent to photographs. How discouraging.AI imagesbelong on PHotriobecause they are a new genre of photography and a tremendous outlet for creativityAI. is a new mile stone in photography potentially a bigger step as digital was. It doesn't represent a departure from photography. It represents an evolutionary step and we shouldn't prohibt it but endorse it!
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