Galaxy Hyper Speed Direct Positive Papaer

My paper should be arriving shortly, so I thought I'd have a look and see what developers people have used to process this paper, but I can't seem to find much information?

Has anyone here used this paper, and if so what developer did you use? Also I believe it's an ortho paper, so you can use a red safelight with it, but no one has confirmed this..

Any shared experiences would be appreciated - I don't want to ruin the packet of paper when it arrives..

Thanks, Andrew

Andrew,
First developer Dektol 1:2 - 1 min (or D-88)
Wash
Bleach (Pot Dichromate 9 g + Sulphuric Acid 12 ml / litre water) - 1 min or until cleared plus a bit
Wash
Clear (45 g Sodium Sulphite / 500 ml water ) - 1 min TURN LIGHT ON for rest of process
Wash
Redevelop in Dektol 1:2 - 30-45 sec.

If using in pinhole reciprocity is bad, think Fomapan 100 (40 sec = 6 min sort of bad)

I process mine until "clearing" in a drum then dropped in tray to clear and redevelop but loaded paper in safe light, instructions say deep red safelight. I did do 1 all under safelight and it looks flogged but I think thats more that the bleach was to short, but as it was the last one I've done I cannot confirm.

SMBooth said:

I did do 1 all under safelight and it looks flogged but I think thats more that the bleach was to short, but as it was the last one I've done I cannot confirm.

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You missed out the very important re-exposure step needed in all INDIRECT reversal processing. This should be with something like a 100w Tungsten bulb usually a minute or two a couple of feet from the bulb. Don't use sunlight as the UV can cause problems of gross over exposure.

Note that Direct reversal materials produce a Positive with the first development stage, ie Cibachrome/Ilfochrome R3 reversal papers, Harman Direct Positive.

Ian

I thought this is a new paper made somewhere in Russia?
Didn't Galaxy came here asking for some Kickstart support?
There can't be that many who already used this one.
You are in experimentation mode.
"You should have bought Harman Direct Positive".

The original manufacturer, Slavich, is honest, transparent and clear about his product:
1. The paper (offered via KS) is intended for use in a Minutka automated photo booth for passport-size snaps
2. The paper trades as "Minutka black&white reversal photographic paper"
3. Slavich sells both paper and chemicals, ready to use, and in a booth in Berlin it works very well
4. Its all, including full development instructions, well outlined in English here: http://www.slavich.com/photo-bw-reversal
The Galaxy guys did two things: They introduced the stuff to an hitherto ignorant audience and had the paper cut to (from Slavich's point of view) non-standard sizes.
Wish all users lots of fun and hope you can come up with some experience.

PittP said:

The original manufacturer, Slavich, is honest, transparent and clear about his product:
1. The paper (offered via KS) is intended for use in a Minutka automated photo booth for passport-size snaps
2. The paper trades as "Minutka black&white reversal photographic paper"
3. Slavich sells both paper and chemicals, ready to use, and in a booth in Berlin it works very well
4. Its all, including full development instructions, well outlined in English here: http://www.slavich.com/photo-bw-reversal
The Galaxy guys did two things: They introduced the stuff to an hitherto ignorant audience and had the paper cut to (from Slavich's point of view) non-standard sizes.
Wish all users lots of fun and hope you can come up with some experience.

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This is good information, assuming your sources are reliable (always a problem at APUG), but what "the Galaxy Guys" also did was promote their paper as "direct positive" when it is no such thing, and have continued to do so after it was pointed out as misleading.

The very fact that this thread has the (misleading, inaccurate) title it does - even after several threads here and at LFPF on the subject correcting them - reflects their failure to be transparent in what they were offering.

hi PittP
i agree, they have been pretty upfront about what they are selling
and while they use the expression "direct postiive" from what i think kodak's terminology from
a process they were doing in the 50s <?> there are folks who take offense and suggesting they are
selling something different from what they said they were selling ...
it really doesn't matter to me
i was the person who posted the original KS announcement here ( and someplace else ) because
i think the whole idea of getting a postive instead of a negative / single step? reversal?chromatic?/ferrotypish? is fantastic and i wish them lots of luck !

from what i understand, they have tweaked their original mini lab developer/developing regime to be
not the "standard" reversal method ( i could be wrong since there aren't really many ways to do this )
on a different forum someone who has also gotten his "thank you kit" from galaxy ( ? or read the msds for the developer ? )
says it is HQ and sodium sulfite. not sure what it is, but it might not be dichromate bleach which is often used as a reversal bleach.
i know the developer is sold separate from the paper, has a longish shelf life and works with other papers too, so i am pretty excited about
the new offerings !
- john

I don't and haven't taken offence at how they've described, john, but i don't think that it was either upfront or transparent, and just from the comments of some people online when they discovered that it wasn't what they expected (i.e. a direct reversal paper like Harman's) I don;t think it's unreasonable to criticise them for that.

the fact remains that this paper doesn't do anything special apart (perhaps, we haven't had any user reports yet) from being much faster than ordinary enlarging paper.

hi pdeeh
i can understand why you think it might be "false advertising"
but when i read the KS page, and received emails from them
and went to their website it no where said it was a single step
paper that could be processed in regular off the shelf developer
( like ilford's product ) it / they always said it was a reversal process
to be used with their own proprietary developer.
kodak used the terminology "direct positive" to describe this process
in the 50s or 60s, and it seems that the folks at galaxy saw no harm
using older terminology to describe the paper/developer - process
the ilford process is more like what used to be sold as post card paper
but with a normal off the shelf developer instead of a proprietary one.
maybe its just me but whatever they want to call it is fine with me
but then again i make silver gelatin ferrotypes, and WP users
claim they aren't ferrotypes, and shouldn't be called ferrotypes because
there is no collodion or cyanide involved.
i'm eager to hear how the galaxy paper and their proprietary developer works
because i failed at doing my own paper-reversals and as long as there is no dichromate involved
their developer might be useful in making reversals on paper, metal and glass.

Unfortunately Galaxy can't claim their Slavich paper is "Direct Positive", Slavich don't.

Because it's so misleading some people don't realise it needs a Reversal re-exposure. It's a very inept project that really deserves far better project management, it's not the paper etc it's the people behind it's marketing/publicity.

Ian

Fully agree with Ian and Pdeeh.
John, may be you did not read carefully: SLAVICH is clear about their product.
Galaxy however, was and is not entirely clear in their communication. In KS they even suggested some sort of "new paper", then suddendly it was already cut in Russia - that rang a bell.
The reference to "Kodak direct positive" as reversal paper I can't comment. Would be strange though: I have a pile of Kodak projection positive cat 182 7864 - and that goes exactly like Harman's (or Imago/Kraus' I'd guess), though a bit old and a bit more quirky: Expose - develop (weak developer) - stop - fix - dry & wonder.
Since such direct positive papers have TOTALLY different characteristics than Minutka reversal film on a paper base, using the same name appears misleading (to make a complicated to use product more attractive, perhaps?) - odd though, since the reversal paper should be much easier to use in camera and yield far superior results (less quirky at least).
Pitt

PittP said:

Fully agree with Ian and Pdeeh.
John, may be you did not read carefully: SLAVICH is clear about their product.
Galaxy however, was and is not entirely clear in their communication. In KS they even suggested some sort of "new paper", then suddendly it was already cut in Russia - that rang a bell.
The reference to "Kodak direct positive" as reversal paper I can't comment. Would be strange though: I have a pile of Kodak projection positive cat 182 7864 - and that goes exactly like Harman's (or Imago/Kraus' I'd guess), though a bit old and a bit more quirky: Expose - develop (weak developer) - stop - fix - dry & wonder.
Since such direct positive papers have TOTALLY different characteristics than Minutka reversal film on a paper base, using the same name appears misleading (to make a complicated to use product more attractive, perhaps?) - odd though, since the reversal paper should be much easier to use in camera and yield far superior results (less quirky at least).
Pitt

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hi pitt

i read what you wrote and others have written.
galaxy was extremely clear with their communications, i contacted them directly, read their website / KS page
and they said that it was a reversal paper to be used with their reversal chemistry, they never said it was anything different than that.
other folks read into the name that it was like ilford's product, galaxy never said it was like that at all.

to each their own .. it really doesnt' matter to me what they call it.

John, ok! Then it may have just been me who misunderstood Galaxy. No problem
I'd be curious about experiences! My old Kodak is very hard and very slow and very sensitive to light temperature. An easier to handle alternative would be welcome, and Harman's is just half-way.
Best! P.

no worries pitt
i am also eager to hear other's experiences too

have a great day
john

I, too, am curious about experiences of others and what developer they use for the Hyper Speed paper.

I backed the Kickstarter project and received 2 packs of 4x5" paper but misunderstood about the development process, thinking I could use Dektol,stop bath, fix, and rinse. Oooops!

Looks like I'm going to need this:
http://www.digitaltruth.com/store/cart/Chemicals-for-Reversal-Process/

Micah in NC

Ian Grant said:

You missed out the very important re-exposure step needed in all INDIRECT reversal processing. This should be with something like a 100w Tungsten bulb usually a minute or two a couple of feet from the bulb. Don't use sunlight as the UV can cause problems of gross over exposure.

Note that Direct reversal materials produce a Positive with the first development stage, ie Cibachrome/Ilfochrome R3 reversal papers, Harman Direct Positive.

Ian

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No re - exposure get done when I turn the lights on at clearing.

Don't think the thread was for complaining about the product, just for people who are interested in what other users are doing.

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