PKM-25 . . . .
Regarding that project for the paintings recreation thing . . . How about shooting on 8x10" color neg? There would be fewer contrast and lighting struggles, and final images could go directly to RA4 paper. An analogue process from end to end with potentially gorgeous final quality and still available using US sourced materials, if that makes a difference to the sponsors. That way you get to do the project just before the end of the materials instead of just after . . .
When did you acquire 60 extra rolls? Was it after 2010?
~Stone
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I think Steve should seriously look at helping this poor person who is struggling to produce a film dedicated to the space shuttle, he shot it on kodachrome and he has a few undeveloped rolls left that never made it to dwaynes.
His site is:
http://shuttlelaunchfilm.com/
I should try and put Stephen in contact with him.
There is an APUG policy not to post anything from PMs or E-Mails in public here.
I bring this up only to ask that the moderators NOT enforce that rule here. Please. The subject matter is so central to what is going on that it must be left up and not be deleted or altered. We need this to understand bot the anguish of losing Kodachrome and the difficulty in processing it as well as the cost.
My best wishes to all concerned. I understand both sides of the story.
PE
... 37 rolls of still Kodachrome in 35mm, 120 and 126 to soup...
126 ????
60 rolls of the film would take me in excess of 120 hours to process from start to finish. With 260 dollars being the cost of materials only and not my time The cost to me would be 3 -4 weeks of unpaid work in my lab schedule.
It's an excellent policy, designed to avoid having replies look stupid and disjointed if someone goes back and changes things in the posts being replied to. The time limit should encourage thinking things out thoroughly before posting.I'd blame this on part on the policy here...of not being able to edit your own post after a fairly brief period of time passes...
In my opinion, posting ought not be allowed unless one is willing to check a box certifying that they have read the entire thread first....you could have simply edited the original, which at least would have stopped folks continuing to discover the thread and getting excited about it without reading far enough down to see the clarification...
I hope not; it would ruin the flow/history of this thread....Maybe a mod would agree to add your clarification to the original post?
I have to confess I am a little depressed about all of this...while the notion of what else is going on is a positive thing, I am left feeling kind of flat.
Both Jeff Jacobson and my self are still looking for publishers, Jeff is having a print auction soon so he might be able to self publish, I am just wanting to maybe put back even a little bit of the 60 grand I spent doing my project in the bank so maybe I can buy a home instead of renting with having a fine art darkroom crammed into a 66" x 71" storage closet in my 880 square foot apartment. I gave away a fair amount of film while on the road to those who could not afford it or find it anymore, found Jeff most of his KL200....Jeff is the photographer who started his project called "The Last Roll" from his bedside while recovering from Lymphoma...
I guess this pattern of emotional emptiness started a few hours ago when one of the people that I was supposed to meet with in LA called tonight to express her disbelief after reading this thread....
It just sickens us for a host of reasons I don't want to even get into on here. Lets just say she felt very strongly about our goals as being historical too as there were parts of it I did not disclose that are still rather proprietary to it all in terms of who would be Aristotle, Boy in Blue or Pallas Athena....
I often have to bow out of these forums for a time when it gets to be too much...this is one of those times.
I just need to get the hell off of here and remind Jeff that we need to get our books out before, well....who the hell knows at this point. Whatever this all is, it seems to be some kind of invite only, maybe, I don't know, you are not good enough, not historical enough or not important enough gentlemen's club and I am pretty sure I want no part in it...
I think I will go pour my self a glass of Jack my wife likes to cook with.....I don't drink by the way.
Signing off for a few months, it will do me some good...
Thanks for the interest everyone- My project has literally been frozen for a year and suddenly I've got many new facebook likes- very cool.
So yes, a few years ago I began documenting the Space Shuttle launches on Kodachrome. As a filmmaker I fell in love with the idea that both the subject (the shuttle launches) and the medium (Kodachrome) were coming to an end after decades of fanfare, market superiority and cultural admiration. When I started, all the final launches were slated to end before Dwayne's final date- but that didn't work out.
Still, I figured there some geniuses out there might one day crack the code and that I should continue to document this great experience as I had started.
With my Nikons, some specialty cameras and my Super16 motion picture camera I shot 4 rolls of 100 16mm, 2 rolls of 50 16mm, 3 rolls of Super8, 34 rolls of 35mm, 2 rolls of 120, and 1 roll of 126 over the next three launches- one of which was inside Kennedy Space Center with the rest of the media folks- needless to say I was the only film camera there, let alone four film cameras and the Super16.
From the start, my effort has been to tell the story of the atmosphere and people who congregate in the name of science and exploration. Instead of a tailgate party for the Dallas Cowboys, its a huge tailgate party for science, which I loved.
Of course the big moment of the launch was covered in Super16mm, but the bulk of the photos (and some of my motion picture stock) is about the people who come to watch and what they do until that big moment happens.
The film was shot intending to be a combination of stills and moving pictures in a Ken Burns-style presentation (pans and fades of stills), no intereviews or dialogue, just the images and great music.
I have a facebook page http://www.facebook.com/pages/Shuttle-Launch-Film/156663554369586
I certainly hope we can bring these images out and celebrate the film and the Space Shuttle again.
Thank you all so much for the shared interests, it's very inspiring and I'm very eager to move forward with the community.
If it comes to the point where processing is a possibility, I have a K-14 control strip that I'd be willing to loan anyone making a go of it.
Im happy to share my knowledge in the same manner as photo engineer.
Or you could come up with an original idea. http://www.joseffischnaller.com/, http://www.rainerelstermann.de/, http://joannagoddard.blogspot.com/2012/01/paintings-vs-photographs.html
Thanks for the call Stone, I appreciate the heads up and don't want to let thanks go un-given. So thanks to PE, Stone, etc for the offer, but I think I want to just stick to what I have the time to do and what I know best and that is shooting..
Greg, great links, thanks for showing them, I had no idea that work was out there. My idea was posted on my blog in early 2010 then I sat on it a bit, a couple of the paintings I had in mind shown:
http://kodachromeproject.com/blog/archives/229
As far as originality, I was looking at challenging my self to recreate exact works of specific paintings which will require bulletproof casting, set building, costume design and utterly masterful lighting. If I were hell bent on this no matter what and had all the aforementioned lined up, I have a couple of packs of 220 Astia that *might* come close...but not as close as Kodachrome. I have seen that kind of light in the natural world, not on a set, it seems to only be revealed by Kodachrome unless painted. The attached image, although more of a grab shot than artistic, shows the kind of treatment Kodachrome gives very specific light in terms of what I see possible.
I am out of town until later this week, so I am going to take at least the rest of this week away from the forum and possibly more...as much as I get out of coming here and like to make actual contributions, I think forums are often just too much of a distraction for me...
I have about half a dozen other projects that are anywhere from 6 months to 12 more years long, so it's not like I will be purposeless if I leave my stash of KR64 in the freezer and just get what I have as a book out. In fact, I really just need to do that as there are so many rich images that people have yet to see but I am not putting them on the web. I am not at all lacking for imagery to get this book out when it comes right down to it...
It would really be something to know how to process Kodachrome, even if it resulted in only a few rolls being brilliant at the end of testing and souping and a trip out to Rochester to see Ron, Audrey and the Kodak gang would be really cool about right now. I still know the top two gals who worked in the lab and could pick their brains too. But I am a photographer first and foremost so I would much rather pay someone to do it...and I would be willing to pay them what they are worth as I was in this case...
Maybe some day, until then, the film sits under hundreds of other rolls at the very bottom of one of the freezer drawers, the idea a fond one in the back of my mind's eye....
Take care everyone and have a good holiday season!
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