yes quite true, he posted last year i think, and he apologised for his absence on the forum, we will just be patient i guess, but i think it will still be a huge effort to get running again, either way, its good someone is looking after it if the need ever arised for its use.
IF this and IF that. Gee guys, why don't one of you do that work.
So far, in my basement lab I have recreated an Azo/Lupex type paper in 3 grades, a Kodabromide/Brovira type paper in 2 grades, and an ortho ISO 40 camera emulsion. I have also mad a single color magenta Ilford/Ciba material.
I don't see people rushing to buy the book or come to the workshops in great number. Yes, the books sell and yes the workshops go, but there is so much more that can be taught and written up. But, all people do is talk.
My boss in the Emulsion Research Div. at EK had a poster that said "When all is said and done, more is said than done". Get together, scrape up the $$, and get yourselves going!
PE
Except for the sick wife, for which you have my sympathy (BTDT), Steve Frizza fits all of your other conditionals. So, once your wife is better, you will be in a good situation to do something. But, OTOH, there are a lot of others out there.
PE
Sorry, but I can't let that pass, you're not in the real world. Try running your own business in the current UK economic climate, when you're on call 7 days a week.....anyone (I don't say you) who's spent their whole life in employment, with a salary guaranteed at the end of the month, benefits paid for by the employer, and a company pension scheme hasn't a clue. And, if you get it wrong, there's one person who has to accept responsibility...there's no Perez who you can try to blame.
I'm sure that Steve Frizza doesn't have an employer to pay for his lab, equipment, business vehicle, paid holidays, etc., and that every cent of necessary capital expenditure comes from his own pocket, or the profit (hopefully) generated from his work and business. I also hope that he doesn't have the find the equivalent of $30,000+ from taxed income as I have for the cost of my wife's recent surgery.
Don't worry, I'm off this website now, at least for a while; there's plenty of other photography and digital forums which have a much better atmosphere.
And many groan and moan here, but do nothing at all!
If you cannot, you cannot, but if you can or could and are posting here, why just talk? Start to work.
PE
Thanks Ron! you have written exactly what I feel....too many talk and too few get to work on experiments. I also get annoyed by people who claim to desperately want to do Kodachrome but haven't read any of the information / publications and patents given away by kodak.
I also get annoyed by people whom I give good insight into methodologies and then get told no no there are better ways. Take for example my RGB screens for doing an autochrome like process. I expressed in that thread a perfect simple solution for pairing the screen with the film emulsion and yet for 20 pagers after announcing a simple method people were still over complicating it with other ideas that simply dont work.
It makes me not want to share the all details on my experiments. I work hard for what I learn. why should I simply serve it to others on a silver platter?
when people ask me whats the difference between Tri-x and Neopan i dont tell them anymore. I simply say buy ten rolls of each test them and you tell me! thats how i learned!!!
sorry to complain but you are spot on Ron people need to stop talking and start doing!
I recall reading about a guy who tried a trick to get Kodachrome film "developed"(in color). What he did was he would use a red filter and take a shot of the scene, then advance the film to the next slide, and shoot the same scene with a green filter, then advance to the next slide and shoot the same scene with a blue filter. Then he developed the film as black and white and scanned the film. And in photoshop he converted each BW slide into the color channel of the filter used and superimposed them and the end result was a color image of kodachrome. Though the cost was that it takes 3 slides to get one picture and objects cant be moving in the scene. But hey it worked.
I recall reading about a guy who tried a trick to get Kodachrome film "developed"(in color). What he did was he would use a red filter and take a shot of the scene, then advance the film to the next slide, and shoot the same scene with a green filter, then advance to the next slide and shoot the same scene with a blue filter. Then he developed the film as black and white and scanned the film. And in photoshop he converted each BW slide into the color channel of the filter used and superimposed them and the end result was a color image of kodachrome. Though the cost was that it takes 3 slides to get one picture and objects cant be moving in the scene. But hey it worked.
That's what I was thinking, but I wonder, might the color filter layers in the film influence the result in some way?This has nothing to do with with Kodachrome film.
What you refer to is colour photography by means of taking colour seperations in succession. This is a process going back to the beginning of colour photography and was a important process back then. Look for the work of Adolf Miethe.
None of this will get the Shuttle film rolls developed. There is no need (in my humble opinion) to bring back Kodachrome film, but I would find it quite interesting to bring those few exciting rolls of film to life that have already been exposed. If some wealthy folks want to get some additional Kodachrome developed and thereby help fund the whole process, more power to them I'd say.You can replicate Kodachrome very well using 3 color shots on B&W and then using a reversal C/M/Y development scheme. This has been often published. At the end, you bind all 3 together to get a finished slide. There are no tricks and no need to compound special formulas, you just make up what works. Leadly and Stegmeyer published this in the '40s.
And Rudi, I am aware of these two types of endeavor but what I am saying that there is a LOT of talk here and across APUG but little action among those able to do it. They talk, but they don't do.
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