Fujinon 125mm W vs. CM/W lens performance question

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Hi folks,

I'm planning on getting a Fujinon 125mm W lens for my 4x5 camera and wanted to see if there is anyone on the forum who has specific experience with the various versions of this lens. I know, this may be a tall ask, but if there is someone, I'd appreciate the feedback.

Basically, some of you certainly know that Fujinon made 6 known different versions of the 125mm W lens over the years. Let's disregard the single coated version, so I think there may be 4 versions remaining. From the info I have seen (found here ad other locations):


... the information indicates that the three MC versions right before the CM/W version have a comparable optical design, but of course they may be been tweaked over the versions slightly, but they are all plasmat based designs, with 6/6 elements and groups. Changes in the filter ring and the weight are really the only distinguishing difference in the specs in these, but as I said, there could be very subtle changes in the optics that my not even be noticeable.

The last one, the CM/W version, changes the optical design by going to a 6/5 configuration with a cemented pair in the stack. It also gains a few degrees of coverage, and they increased the filter size to 67mm to make it consistent with most of the other CM/W lenses at the time (not sure when they came out, but in the 90's through to the end). Because of these changes, it gains two degrees of coverage and that equates to about 6mm of additional image circle. OK, enough of the background...

What I'm interested in is whether there are improvements in the edge of the image circle performance that would result in a meaningful improvement in the image quality in the final 20mm or so in the corner in a full rise situation? How good are the additional 6mm and how good are the next 15mm or so with the CM/W compared to the final 15mm in a third-generation W version?

The CM/W lenses aren't too common, are larger, more expensive, and use larger filters, so there are potential compromises to using them. Putting together an ultra light field kit, the added weight isn't huge, but this all adds up. I'm willing to choose a CM/W version if the edge performance is markedly better than the earlier W versions, but if it is functionally the same, I'll go with the lighter/smaller/cheaper one, thank you very much.


Many thanks,

---Michael
 

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Most of the differences were just in filter thread size. The big funnel front of the CMW never made sense to me. I love Fuji lenses; but you do need to take some of their image circle specs with a grain of salt. None of these 125's are going to give you much rise if you have traditional architectural usage in mind. You'll get a little.

Up to the inherent circle limitation, edge performance should be superb with any of them.

I went for one which took 52mm filters, since that's my smaller lens kit standard. Yes, I use step rings too as needed.
But I at least try to standardize on either 52mm for most of my 4x5 needs, or 67mm for my 8x10 lenses.

Otherwise, just go with condition and price. In terms of a little more image circle, you'd be better off with a 135.
 

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I have the Fujinon NW 125mm f5.6. I also have the Fujinon CM-W 105mm f5.6. I had the Fujinon NW 105mm f5.6. I traded it in for the CM-W not because of bad edge performance, but because of the slightly larger IC. With the 125mm that's less of an issue unless, as Drew points out, you really need more movement. Only you can decide that.

I don't like the CM-W filter CONE either, but because my filter standard is 77mm, I can live with it.

I bet you'll be happy with the Fujinon NW 125mm.
 
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Yeah, I was basically thinking that... there really isn't a lot greater IC but if it is actually substantially better in the near-limits region of the IC than the older versions, I'd prefer the newer one probably.

Not 100% sure, but I'm going to try to use 67mm filters or a Lee square set so I can do graduate ND, so the actual filter size isn't an issue.

The 90mm f8 I have (Fujinon) uses 67mm so that's the smallest I can go. Plus I already have a bunch of those for the Hasselblad. For that reason, the larger filter on the CM/W isn't a concern to me I don't think.
 
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Most of the differences were just in filter thread size. The big funnel front of the CMW never made sense to me. I love Fuji lenses; but you do need to take some of their image circle specs with a grain of salt. None of these 125's are going to give you much rise if you have traditional architectural usage in mind. You'll get a little.

Up to the inherent circle limitation, edge performance should be superb with any of them.

I went for one which took 52mm filters, since that's my smaller lens kit standard. Yes, I use step rings too as needed.
But I at least try to standardize on either 52mm for most of my 4x5 needs, or 67mm for my 8x10 lenses.

Otherwise, just go with condition and price. In terms of a little more image circle, you'd be better off with a 135.

I'm trying to split the gap between a 180A and the 90f8, so 125 felt better than 135 to me.

These days, I'm not doing much architectural shooting so I think I'll be fine with the movements available in a 125mm, but in the end, I can go into the SW lenses for better IC if I start doing that kind of shooting again. My preference back then was the Nikkor lenses and a Schneider here or there. The Nikkors because they seemed to be far more available in press shutters, which I needed for the flash synch for multiple pops.
 

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FYI, Fujinon never made a SW 125mm. They did make a SW 120mm -- with a 290mm image circle!!!!

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